FYI for Ontario Protesters

I'm not sure how big of a problem security or PIs working for the CO$ is in Ontario but I would like to remind you all that come August 23, 2008 all Private Investigators and Security Guards must be licenced with the Private Security and Investigative Services Branch of the MCSCS (Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Services). This includes 'In House' security and PIs as well. I've checked the Act and the Regulations and I haven't found anything that exempts the CO$ from registering under the act. Oh yes, if the CO$ wants to employ SGs and PIs they must register too.

Acting as a Security Guard or a Private Investigator without a valid licence will result in a hefty fine "Every individual convicted of an offence under this Act is liable to a fine of not more than $25,000, imprisonment for a term of not more than one year, or both. 2005, c. 34, s. 45 (1). (from the act)".
Business entities as well: "Every business entity convicted of an offence under this Act is liable to a fine of not more than $250,000. 2005, c. 34, s. 45 (2)."

Here is a link to the act. It's not really an exciting read but its got some useful information on penalties for not complying with the Act.
Private Security and Investigative Services Act, 2005, S.O. 2005, c. 34

Also, you can go to www.ontario.ca/private-security for more information. They have printable public complaint forms just in case any of you might need them during a protest or raid.


Don't know if this helps you guys out or not. I hope it does

Interesting.

Do you happen to know if they must produce valid documentation of being licensed upon request/demand? (Quebec or Ontario)

Security Guards/Private Investigators must carry their licence while on duty at all time. Neglecting to do so could result in a fine. If they don't have a licence, they are not allowed to act as security guards or private investigators.

Pretty much if they try to follow you around and they aren't PI- they are stalking you. If they try to force you to leave a public area or try to detain you but they are not SGs- its wrongful arrest


So if they give you any problems ask to see their licence, if they cannot produce just say something like, "Under the new Private Security and Investigative Services Act, all acting Security Guards and Private Investigators must carry their licence at all times while on duty. If you don't have a licence on you, you can't act as a ((whichever you're dealing with))

There may be an exception to Private Investigators who are undercover but they (and the company (I doubt in-house)) would have to seek permission from the PSIS Branch in order to do undercover work and explain the job they are doing. I doubt any PIs would be able to go under cover for 'fair game'

This is just the Ontario Act, I'm not sure about other provinces

Does this include the security division of Scientology Orgs? Meaning OSA. All OSA members must likewise be registered because their training is PI oriented, or they supervise the PIs they hire.

I didn't see any part of the act or regulations of the act that exempts OSA or religious groups. You can call the customer service line for the PSIS branch. They have a Toronto number and a toll free number.

Another thing I should add is that Private Investigators cannot act as security guards and vice versa. An individual may hold a dual licence (both SG and PI) but he can only act as one or the other while on duty- not both.

Also LOSS prevention requires an SG licence- not private investigator- I find it highly doubtful that an OSA or any Scientologist would accuse (Frame) any anons of shoplifting but you never know.

ddpl365: almost sounds liek you're suggesting discounts... of the five finger variety... may want to rephrase...

No I'm not saying shoplift. (kinda want to apply for OPP in the future) What I'm saying is that I PI cannot detain you or have permission to search yourself or your belongings. (if for some bizzar reason they want to frame you) An SG can but he has to have hard evidence, such as catching you on camera, that you stole something.

As I mentioned before this shouldn't be much of a problem since Anons don't go into the Church, but I've been hearing stuff about their Book-athon, if you're going to protest this, keep it in mind.

Do not cause problems, but you should know your rights as a citizen. Sorry if there was a mix up there

Originally Posted by ddpl365

Security Guards/Private Investigators must carry their licence while on duty at all time. Neglecting to do so could result in a fine. If they don't have a licence, they are not allowed to act as security guards or private investigators.

Pretty much if they try to follow you around and they aren't PI- they are stalking you. If they try to force you to leave a public area or try to detain you but they are not SGs- its wrongful arrest


So if they give you any problems ask to see their licence, if they cannot produce just say something like, "Under the new Private Security and Investigative Services Act, all acting Security Guards and Private Investigators must carry their licence at all times while on duty. If you don't have a licence on you, you can't act as a ((whichever you're dealing with))

There may be an exception to Private Investigators who are undercover but they (and the company (I doubt in-house)) would have to seek permission from the PSIS Branch in order to do undercover work and explain the job they are doing. I doubt any PIs would be able to go under cover for 'fair game'

This is just the Ontario Act, I'm not sure about other provinces

We've been all over this in another area with PhooHar Ted's posts.

An investigator or guard [dual license] MUST show their license when requested by any member of the public.

Originally Posted by ddpl365

Another thing I should add is that Private Investigators cannot act as security guards and vice versa. An individual may hold a dual licence (both SG and PI) but he can only act as one or the other while on duty- not both.

Also LOSS prevention requires an SG licence- not private investigator- I find it highly doubtful that an OSA or any Scientologist would accuse (Frame) any anons of shoplifting but you never know.

Not exactly true.

Undercover PI's work loss prevention all the time.

Security guards MUST have badges with "security" on them accessible to the public.

Stores may also hire their own private floorwalkers without a PI's license if they have the applicable insurance to cover it. The Bay, Zellers, etc do it all the time.

Nope. Under the old act PIs were the only ones in Ontario to do LOSS Prevention. Due to the new act all those who did work LOSS prevention have to switch to an SG licence.

http://www.mcscs.jus.gov.on.ca/english/police_serv/PISG/faqs.html

"You may need a licence if you are paid to do work that consists mainly of protecting persons or property. This includes bodyguards, bouncers and loss prevention personnel.

Examples:

1- You will need a licence if your main responsibility in a bar or restaurant, for instance, is controlling entrances and patrolling the property to ensure the safety and security of the establishment and its occupants.
2- You will not need a licence if you are a hotel, motel or inn manager who may inspect common areas during your shift. Those checks are not the main activity of a manager in this setting. Overseeing the entire operation of the facility, as well as ensuring guest comfort, would typically be your main activity or responsibility.
3- You will not need a licence if you are a store clerk who may be required to open or lock up at the end of the business day. This is not your main activity. Selling and stocking merchandise would be considered your main activities."

Again this is Ontario only, it may be different for other provinces.

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