Petition?

I've been doing some research into what it takes to create a petition the government will pay attention to, and I think it's something we should consider as a summer project.

Our options are to do a nationwide petition, provincial petitions, or both. The rules vary a bit between federal and provincial (based on what I've seen looking into federal and Ontario guidelines) but not by much. I'm leaning toward a national level petition because Parliament just recessed for the summer and it would give us months and months to collect thousands of signatures from BC to NS. In either case I'm talking about an actual petition, not some stupid web thing with people's Hotmail addresses.

But what about namefagging?
Neither the federal or Ontario guidelines require enough information that the signer can easily be tracked down. For federal petitions all they need are the signature (no printed form required), and either the city and province, or province and postal code. Ontario requires the printed and signed name, and the 'address', but doesn't specify what counts as an address. (Besides, how massive would the footbullet be if CoS went after random people?)

Who can sign a petition?
Any resident of Canada (federal) or the province (provincial) regardless of age or citizenship, from what I've seen.

What does the gov't have to do with the petition?
As long as the petition meets all submission criteria, and an MP or MPP chooses to present it, the gov't must respond. Ottawa has 45 days and Ontario (frex) has 24 days to react to a presented petition. Choosing the right person to present the petition is important.

What would the petition say?
This needs careful consideration. There are local and national issues, and wording is very important. It has to be something the federal government or province has jurisdiction over, obviously. I also think it would be wise to avoid mentioning the CoS explicitly if possible; craft the petition so it applies to them (and only them), but don't give politicians an easy-out (fear of religious bigotry label, etc).

Guidelines
Federal guidelines: Petitions — Practical Guide — Procedural Services — House of Commons — Canada

Ontario petition guidelines: Legislative Assembly of Ontario | Getting Involved | Petitions
Quebec guidelines: Presenting a petition to the National Assembly
Manitoba guidelines: The Legislative Assembly of Manitoba
Nova Scotia guidelines: couldn't find it online
Alberta guidelines: site was down when I checked
BC guidelines: couldn't find it


What do you think?

It would be good to have people who we've already reached with our protests/mini-raids be able to voice their agreement in this manner, excellent idea.

Originally Posted by Opportunity

It would be good to have people who we've already reached with our protests/mini-raids be able to voice their agreement in this manner, excellent idea.

I like it a lot, it will not solve all our problems but it will help us progress in our conquest.

We need to get the petition drafted up and approved by anon-lawfags and writefags, and whoever has experience doing stuff involving the govmint.

Then we will need a link to a printable petition page that each anon cell can print off and bring to protests to collect signatures.

Finally we need a mailing address to send the filled in petition forms to, for collection and presentation to the govmint. So someone will need to step up and open up a PO box for this, and someone will need to step up to present it to the government.
Perhaps one of the Canadian OG's can help.

*raises hand* I have experience writing legal documents and can get a lawyer at my disposal if need be. If anyone's interested, please PM me. :)

lol wut? Basically what you are saying is:

If we get a petition started and get it to the right person and they choose to bring it up in the house of commons something might come from it?


Uhhhhhh, probably not.

I had the privilege of being in the members area during question period (when the petition wold be brought up) last year. Some MLA brought up a petition from his constituents about the housing prices in Alberta. The government started to boo him and lol'd then he just sort of sat down.

I know that, in Alberta it would probably not work. I 've met a bunch of M.L.As, including the Premier (god I hate him) and the Speaker of the house (him as well) Even the liberal M.Ps seem like they do not care, or that they would misconstrue this as religious biggotry

Originally Posted by Skeptlc1337

lol wut? Basically what you are saying is:

If we get a petition started and get it to the right person and they choose to bring it up in the house of commons something might come from it?

Yes, that's how petitions work. MPPs/MLAs/MPs don't boo petitions because they're petitions, they boo them for the subject matter. And as I said, we can avoid the religious bigotry angle with careful wording.

Having a petition of x-thousand names can also be newsworthy even if it doesn't get read. A press release to national media before the petition is submitted could be the difference between it being read or not.

It might be a long shot, but if it works it's epic. Why shit on that?

Originally Posted by anonameusfawkes

It might be a long shot, but if it works it's epic. Why shit on that?

Im just REALLY afraid that we'll come off as religious biggots, regardless of what we write or how we present ourselves

Originally Posted by Skeptlc1337

Im just REALLY afraid that we'll come off as religious biggots, regardless of what we write or how we present ourselves

that's why we need someone with a black-belt in lit-fu. we don't have to be fully successful; a little acknowledgment can go a long way.

Originally Posted by Mål

Im just REALLY afraid that we'll come off as religious biggots, regardless of what we write or how we present ourselves

the same could be said about our protests and all our actions thus far. Certainly our peacefullness and knowledge has not prevented the COS from tarring us with that brush. The (probably likely) possibility that this will fail is not a valid excuse not to try, IMHO. just protesting and raising awareness is good, but if we really want to make a dent we need to start pestering the government and making ourselves known.

I dont think we should be petitioning the government to ban the COS, not for starters anyway, its too big. But, I think we could get some traction on stuff like regulating and putting oversight on rehab centers like narconon and criminon, or perhaps a request that all scilon orgs must put signs up informing people that they use hypnotism, which is a medical practice and should not be done without a license, IIRC. A petition for freedom of information on all the PC files that the scilons keep on their adherents, perhaps, forcing the scilons to lose one of their greatest weapons, the secrets they glean through hypnotism and use for blackmail.

there's a lot we can work with, if we nibble around the edges of the cult instead of going straight after the jugular.

I like the idea of getting the COS indirectly. It's sorta like how they brought down Al Capone.

Would a ban on fix-ed rate donation work? Or, possibly, a minimum standard of treat for volunteers?

Originally Posted by Anony-Hawk

I like the idea of getting the COS indirectly. It's sorta like how they brought down Al Capone.

Would a ban on fix-ed rate donation work? Or, possibly, a minimum standard of treat for volunteers?

A ban on fixed rate donations might overlap into mormonism, which IIRC has a flat 10% or 15% fee of your yearly salary or some such. Ideally, the petition must be affecting something that pretty much only the COS does, but it should be something which people who dont give a shit about the COS will still give a rats ass about. Something which is clearly not good for the community, which is morally wrong, and which a lot of random people on the street can get behind.

I think our best options are medical ones, namely, medical malpractice/scamming in the rehab centers, and hypnotism without consent in the TRs and auditing sessions. The reason I think these are our best options is because:

1) RE: narconon: its fairly easy to prove that medical malpractice/snake oil sales are happening, we have documented proof plus witnesses, plus here in Canada the RDI narconon report came out a couple months ago and got a lot of traction. There's already some MP's (IIRC) who want to tighten regulation on these rehab centers. its always best to try to nudge someone in a direction they already want to go.

2) RE: hypnotism without consent: its easy to prove, we have witnesses (OG's) and psychological/professional hypnotists can verify this is happening. Also, its sensationalist, people will react strongly to it, IMHO, which means its less likely to die on the floor. and finally all we aim to do is ensure that those who perform hypnotism must a) be licensed psychotherapists (or whatever, I dont know the laws RE: that) and b) must INFORM the person of their intent to hypnotize them. even if this amounts to nothing a sign having to be put outside their doors, 2 years down the road after massive beauracracy slog, its still a win.

narconon/criminon targets a major cash cow for them, hypnotism without consent strikes at the core of their indoctrination/mind control process. either way we fuck up their playbook, and even if we dont succeed, we get a major win if we start getting news reports on hypnotism without consent, or more news reports on narconon/criminon.

I personally lean towards hypnotism without consent, it sounds good (in that, it sounds damn evil) and cause the narconon stuff already got some traction, it might be best if we diversify, and it will be easy to get signatures from passersby on a petition to "make sure people are informed and consent to any hypnotism performed on them."

my .02 cents.

Huh, I seem to have killed this thread but good.
whee!

found some for saskatchewan, it looks like the identity is always withheld and that all you need is your name and reasons, i couldn't find any set guidelines for petitions but i am tired and my computer if acting up.


Search - Government of Saskatchewan

With Bill 102 coming out in Ontario soon would any of the 'treatments' performed by The scientology programs conflict or violate the Transparent Drug System for Patients Act? I found a copy of the bill on e-laws if anyone wants to look over it. If not I'll go through on the weekend...

Legislative Assembly of Ontario | Bills & Lawmaking | Past & Present | 38:2 Bill 102, Transparent Drug System for Patients Act, 2006

Originally Posted by Diogenes

Huh, I seem to have killed this thread but good.
whee!

Should this move to the composition forum?

Originally Posted by anonameusfawkes

Should this move to the composition forum?

Yes, probably. It needs to be shopped around to gather a team of anons to work on it. I cant really contribute in that regard asside from suggestions on overall petition goals.

IMHO, this needs to become someones "baby," and that person can organize the writing of it and the distribution/collection. put it in composition and see if anyone picks it up to give it some love.

We need to decide what we want the petition to achieve before we can ask anyone to start writing it.

So, what national-level issues could we go after?