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Old 04-24-2008, 09:50 AM   #21 (link to here)
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Re: German Government responds to Scientology

this.
Most of the critic knowledge we have against Co$ is based on examples of what they did, and a vague common sense when the obvious abuse are pointed out.

but THIS, you actually have a complex and rather complete description of HOW their brainwashing work, and how easy it is for them to brainwash pplz.

We all knew they brainwash, but we couldn't put our finger on WHY pplz do get brainwashed, and how it's so hard to help them.
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Old 04-24-2008, 09:51 AM   #22 (link to here)
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Re: German Government responds to Scientology

Would this be a public document, as in public domain? If so, perhaps this could be uploaded to a print-on-demand service, like lulu.com as a free pdf/book?
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Old 04-24-2008, 09:54 AM   #23 (link to here)
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The traits required from an ideal Scientology functionary in the new social system – traits
that must therefore be trained in the newcomer – are those of the perfect technocrat, with absolutely blind obedience to the steering commands of the system, and with the ability to unrelentingly correct even the most minor deviations from the technical rules as well as exact total obedience from subalterns.
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... it lies in the ability to use behavioral and systemic-cybernetic
knowledge of domination, to steer, instrumentalize and enslave people and to
unscrupulously apply this know-how without regard for human dignity and human rights.
Amongst the techniques cumulatively used are:
(1) Motivation of customers and workers through constant use of so-called incentive
techniques in advertising and in courses – by promising a winning, happiness or success;
manipulative stimulation of a feeling of happiness while under hypnosis or by systematic
over-stimulation of the organism (e.g. by excessive rounds in the sauna during the so-called
Purification Rundown); reflecting ideal goals to disguise the totalitarian claim to power and
the build-up of an anti-democratic position of power
(2) acclimatization of a new engineering language with the purpose of operationally
restructuring thought and deed; unlearning of natural body language:
(3) Instruction in how to hold controlling power over other people by
a) learning drills
b) programmed learning
c) operative conditioning by reinforcing desired behavior and suppressing unwanted
behavior
d) permanent, systematic group control
(4) Indoctrination using a false anthropology (in part by alleging the possibility of total
control over mind and psyche by measuring the body's electricity, and in part by using
instructional technology)
(5) Awakening a kind of addiction in customers and workers to constantly participate in the
"prize game" of Scientology
(6) Exploitation of this addiction
a) by usurious pricing of courses
b) by exploiting workers
(7) Systematic abuse of scientific, social and cultural knowledge and of the values it
provides for a human treatment of body, mind and soul in the preparation for business, in
trainings, in managing workers and in the discussion with critics
The strategic approach as it appears in the Management Series allows the following
assessment of Scientology's manner in conducting business: Under the guise of friendliness
Hell yeah, this
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Old 04-24-2008, 09:57 AM   #24 (link to here)
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Re: German Government responds to Scientology

MAY 10TH

distribute these^_^

give credit where credit is due
find out copyrights of this, then spread

ask german govertment if us ppls can spread this^_^


their giving it out for free, so i don't see why not
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Old 04-24-2008, 10:02 AM   #25 (link to here)
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After an in-depth examination, an Investigative Commission titled "So-called Sects and Psycho-Groups" set up by the German Bundestag (Parliament) described the organization in its final report as an anti-constitutional movement with a criminogenic structure. This evaluation is in agreement with that of the German forces of order. Behind the cloak of a new religion, this organization – described as a psychogroup and not as a religious community by the Investigative Commission – was able to skillfully hide its salient structural traits until recently, namely organization and logistics of a commercial corporation; expansionist strategies of an aggressively functioning structural distribution system (marketing of franchises by forming chains of subsidiary companies, hard-selling of human leadership and change in the form of social engineering.
Germany, you MAGNIFICENT BASTARDS.
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Old 04-24-2008, 10:16 AM   #26 (link to here)
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Wow. This is a goldmine of research and argument. I am deeply impressed with this document.

Amazing what a government can do when it isn't just pandering to money and bullshit...
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Old 04-24-2008, 10:19 AM   #27 (link to here)
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FYI: A translation is in the works.

Also, 250 of these things have been ordered for the Düsseldorf May 10th protests.
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Old 04-24-2008, 10:19 AM   #28 (link to here)
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As an Amerifag of Polish and Jewish decent, I never thought I would be saying this, but..

Yay, Germany!

I think I will have to grab me a copy of the PDF and shake the rust off my Deutsch.
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Old 04-24-2008, 10:21 AM   #29 (link to here)
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In the Management Series,
Hubbard's "New Human" is not a person with self-determination, but rather an object, an
organism that allegedly functions better after "processing" and has been incorporated into
the Scientology superorganism as a system element.
This shit is BLEAK! *munches popcorn*
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Old 04-24-2008, 10:37 AM   #30 (link to here)
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FYI: A translation is in the works.

Also, 250 of these things have been ordered for the Düsseldorf May 10th protests.
Duckman - Make it happen!

Time to start getting translations and links to the original out to our MPs, Senators, Congressman and asking - why if the German (and Bavarian) government is protecting its citizens why aren't they?

Some of us wrote to some MPs who had already expressed their misgivings about Co$ a while back - despite the refs, MPs must get a slew of this kind of stuff and file it under "Tinfoil". Government docs should have a bit more credibility

First translation I get is going straight to Alderman Ian Luder, who was foolish enough to give Co$ as big welcome speech when they opened their White Elephant building on Queen Victoria St (in London).
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Old 04-24-2008, 10:53 AM   #31 (link to here)
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Brilliant, I've always thought that Adorno and Marcuse would have a LOT to say about the cult :)

Anyone know if they are planning to release update reports? I heard they're currently investigating again, maybe my info was wrong. I'd LOVE to see some current data. This one is just fabulous though. It is the sort of "legitimate" source that really could sway the skeptical.

Brilliant job, this is great that you're getting it out there ! :D winwinwinwinw
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:02 AM   #32 (link to here)
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And to think, my parents still won't think of buying a German car.

You think Anonymous never forgives and never forgets? You haven't met the JEWS yet.

Go Germany! (in the realm of Scientology)
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:17 AM   #33 (link to here)
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"Anti-constitutional movement with a criminogenic structure"

oooh, I like it.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:37 AM   #34 (link to here)
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Not only the German anons are winning, but the German Gov. as well (in respect to Scientology).

Excellent stuff! Now to get myself some copies!

EDIT: Is there by any chance Portuguese translations? I mean, it would be good to spread these here in Portugal. One $ci-church is one $ci-church too many.
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:52 AM   #35 (link to here)
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imo the most important german document that should be translated is the report by the working group for internal intelligence agency Verfassungsschutz (sometimes reffered to as "Office for the protection of the constitution" in english texts, not BND, who is the external intelligence agency of germany) which is the entity observing CoS. This is the report which reasoned in detail why Scientology should be observed by means on intelligence and on the basis of this report it was decided more than 10 years ago Scientology should be observed.

http://www.im.nrw.de/sch/doks/vs/agsc.pdf

It's in german but if you look at the index of contents (page 1) and in there at section I.1 to I.2.5 also I.4 and then III.2.4.7 to III.2.4.8 you might get an impression of the style of this document. Just to give you a taste: III.2.2.5 reads "Evaluation of an intent to steer governments" (p.60-80) and the first subsection "III.2.3 Erecting a scientologist justice system" and in there "III.2.3.3 Rights of "Clears" ("nonaberrated people") and of "aberrated people" "
This is something that would really help on the political and antidemocratic aspects of scientology, I think I'll make a thread about it in translation. I don't know, is there any need to ask -legally speaking- before translating something?
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Old 04-24-2008, 11:59 AM   #36 (link to here)
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Not only the German anons are winning, but the German Gov. as well (in respect to Scientology).

Excellent stuff! Now to get myself some copies!

EDIT: Is there by any chance Portuguese translations? I mean, it would be good to spread these here in Portugal. One -church is one -church too many.
I've updated the first post with all the translations. No Portuguese one, only Spanish.
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:03 PM   #37 (link to here)
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imo the most important german document that should be translated is the report by the working group for internal intelligence agency Verfassungsschutz (sometimes reffered to as "Office for the protection of the constitution" in english texts, not BND, who is the external intelligence agency of germany) which is the entity observing CoS. This is the report which reasoned in detail why Scientology should be observed by means on intelligence and on the basis of this report it was decided more than 10 years ago Scientology should be observed.

http://www.im.nrw.de/sch/doks/vs/agsc.pdf

It's in german but if you look at the index of contents (page 1) and in there at section I.1 to I.2.5 also I.4 and then III.2.4.7 to III.2.4.8 you might get an impression of the style of this document. Just to give you a taste: III.2.2.5 reads "Evaluation of an intent to steer governments" (p.60-80) and the first subsection "III.2.3 Erecting a scientologist justice system" and in there "III.2.3.3 Rights of "Clears" ("nonaberrated people") and of "aberrated people" "
This is something that would really help on the political and antidemocratic aspects of scientology, I think I'll make a thread about it in translation. I don't know, is there any need to ask -legally speaking- before translating someth