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Old 04-29-2008, 04:18 AM   #1 (link to here)
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Hitman in the name of Scientology

This is an article from the Dutch newspaper "De Volkskrant" today. I translated it using Google Translation and tried to fix the grammar a bit, but it's still crappy. You'll get the point though: A guy killes to support Scientology

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The biggest criminal of Netherlands
By Menno van Dongen
published on 28 april 2008 21:02

Now he is not yet so famous, but that is fast changing. Jesse R. (39) is the biggest criminal in the Netherlands, his former friend, witness la Peter S., states Today for the first time R. is in court, in a procedural session. This autumn, he must justify at least six murders.

In the criminal case are numerous statements in which La S. tells about the deeds of R. His friend killed people for money to save the world. This bizarre combination can be traced to the ideas of the Church of Scientology, of which R. a fervent supporter. "Jessie thinks: These murders will earn me 100 or 150 million euros which I'll spend all on the purposes of Scientology. Because if he is now making one hundred victims, but he helps thousand people in the future, then it's not for nothing."

Immortal spirit
The belief in Scientology seems ideal for an assassin. The starting point of the doctrine is that the human body is a temporary home for an immortal spirit. You do not die; your spirit returns in a new body. Fear or awe for death is thus unnecessary.

R. tells almost nothing about liquidations during interrogations . He says to abide by the 'honour code' of the underworld. But he does talk about other things, as investigators note. "R. says he's against crime and is committed to world peace."

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Those are the purposes of the Church of Scientology. But according to spokeswoman Julia Rijnvis it is wrong to link the church, which is against crime, to a big criminal. According to her, R. misunderstood the teachings. She stresses that he and La S. 'haven't participated in our religious services, nor that they are members of our church."

Rijnvis claims that Scientology is abused, like other 'religions' have been. "Hitler also claimed that he was sent by God. That does not mean the Bible, Christ and the Catholic faith are bad. "

Long before R. became fascinated by Scientology, he was already dangerous. After a robbery in 1993, he shot down a policeman. He himself was seriously injured and was given a long prison sentence.

In the prison in Utrecht Remmers became friends with criminal Peter la S., the later witness. 'Dirty Peter' gave R. enthusiasm for Scientology in the mid-nineties, he told the police. "When I got to know Jesse, he was totally confused. I understood him well and offered him the book Dianetics. "Through this he was able to 'structure his mind a little bit again."

After their detention they threw themselves on marihuana trading and Scientology. "Our friendship exceeded crime. We sometimes talked about crime, but much more about science and religion. "

Prada Shoes
The crimes they committed got more serious. In november 2005, according to the witness, the friends assassinated estate agent annex criminal Kees Houtman. The vain R. wore a Dolce & Gabbana hat, Prada shoes and a Versace trousers for the occasion.

They got into a fight over an e-meter. Scientology uses this machine to find stress in new church members. La S. took Jesse's e-meter from his home without asking.

The new Christ
The former member of Scientology: "An e-meter is very expensive." At the Church of Scientology such a device will cost thousands of euros, says another retired member. Outside the church, they are cheaper.

In 2006 La S. went to the police. When that became apparent, R. sent him a furious text message. "Thanks for giving a pregnant woman of a chosen thetan a full stroke". "A Thetan is an immortal spiritual being. According to La S. R. believed that his girlfriend was pregnant with the new Christ.

Soft character
Usually R. is friendly. He has "an incredibly soft character. Until he decides not to be," says the witness. "Who angers his big ego, is at risk. "Reputation is very important for Jesse. Status."

In 1993, he, with others, would have shot dead two men and than set them to fire. 'Jesse thought that was great, because it was the first time that they were putting someone on fire. That got him respect. "

R. did his best to spread the teachings of Scientology. Crime reporter Pter R. De Vries received regular e-mails from him to help criminals on the right track again. "Maybe I insult Jesse with this, but I couldn't understand a bit of what he wrote. The e-mails were full of terminology that I've never previously seen. "

He even wrote a book about Scientology. According to La S. it is mostly plagiarism and almost illegible. "Through the use of highbrow words he wanted to show others how good he was. Jesse sees himself as the new Jesus or the new L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology. "

R. is probably looking forward to a long prison sentence. He told the police that he doesn't blame La S. for spreading lies' about him. "I think that if someone offers you half a million and a new identity, any junk would take that bid."

The witness is in a protection program. He fears the revenge of R. "I think that if Jesse is released, he may find me because I am a Scientologist. If he has decided: that man must die, then that man is going to die."
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Old 04-29-2008, 04:33 AM   #2 (link to here)
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I do not read dutch, sadly. and I see that this is the first thread for this Anon.
This is a huge footbullet for Co$, but my common sense is tingling. can anyone back this up?
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Old 04-29-2008, 04:34 AM   #3 (link to here)
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Why am I not surprised at the spokesperson's "NOTHING TO DO WITH SCIENTOLOGY! NOW GTFO!" comments.

Not very good news for dutch scifags.
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Old 04-29-2008, 04:41 AM   #4 (link to here)
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whoa...
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I do not read dutch, sadly. and I see that this is the first thread for this Anon.
This is a huge footbullet for Co$, but my common sense is tingling. can anyone back this up?
I do read dutch and can confirm the contents of the article as actually being in the article.

Pretty good for a google translation btw.
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Old 04-29-2008, 04:44 AM   #5 (link to here)
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(Maybe he should have teamed up with that James guy.)

"Prepare for trouble!
Make it double!
To protect the world from devastation
To unite all peoples within our nation
To denounce the evils of truth and love
To extend our reach to the stars above
Jessie!
James!
Team Rocket, blast off at the speed of light!
Surrender now, or prepare to fight!
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Old 04-29-2008, 04:49 AM   #6 (link to here)
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I do not read dutch, sadly. and I see that this is the first thread for this Anon.
This is a huge footbullet for Co$, but my common sense is tingling. can anyone back this up?

I had a huge moment of deja vu reading this, didn't we have this thread already or something like it?
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Old 04-29-2008, 05:13 AM   #7 (link to here)
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What's is Jesse R.'s full last name? It might be fun to do a Scientology search on him.
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(Maybe he should have teamed up with that James guy.)

"Prepare for trouble!
Make it double!
To protect the world from devastation
To unite all peoples within our nation
To denounce the evils of truth and love
To extend our reach to the stars above
Jessie!
James!
Team Rocket, blast off at the speed of light!
Surrender now, or prepare to fight!
Meowth, dat's right!
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This provided me with lulz.
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Old 04-29-2008, 05:32 AM   #9 (link to here)
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What's is Jesse R.'s full last name? It might be fun to do a Scientology search on him.
[XXXXXXX]. In The Netherlands it's illegal to give a suspects full name, so discretion is advised...

mod edit: If it's illegal, let's not do it. We'll just call him 'J. Remmer', 'k?
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Footbullet is footbullet is footbullet is footbullet is footbullet is footbulletis footbullet.
Dutchfags will have a field day with this.
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R. tells almost nothing about liquidations during interrogations . He says to abide by the 'honour code' of the underworld. But he does talk about other things, as investigators note. "R. says he's against crime and is committed to world peace."
bizarre.

Maybe he would have acted the same way if he had not been a scientologist and would then have found another explanation for his behaviour.
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Old 04-29-2008, 06:12 AM   #12 (link to here)
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Any group that claims to be a religion can cast off people like this pretty easily. Every group has their fanatics, their zealots, etc.

HOWEVER, this is a new spin on the subject, since most religions kill "evildoers" or "sinners," they never kill (innocent?) people in order to gain wealth from them for their "religion".
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Any group that claims to be a religion can cast off people like this pretty easily. Every group has their fanatics, their zealots, etc.

HOWEVER, this is a new spin on the subject, since most religions kill "evildoers" or "sinners," they never kill (innocent?) people in order to gain wealth from them for their "religion".
this is debatable. I'm not sure one of the motives is better than the other, anyway.
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this is debatable. I'm not sure one of the motives is better than the other, anyway.
I wouldn't say one is better than the other. I'm merely attempting to find a hole in the obvious rebuttal by the "church."


COS: "Blah blah blah, we don't condone such extraordinary measures acted out in the name of our faith, blah blah blah".

Joe Public: "Yeh...but! This killer aimed to take wealth from his targets in order to give it to the church. Almost like a sociopathic Robin Hood. Now, why would a person feel compelled to go to such lengths to fund his church?"

COS: "Uh... Um... Look over there, a bomb threat!"
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One way or another, we can use this on a regional lvl. Its the same as with the Manson-$cientology connection. Sadly, the genneral public wont be intereted if you go into extreem details about how unfair the tax-exempt status of the CoS, but a flashy phrase like ''James Manson left $cientology for being too weird'' will get their interest up.
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What's is Jesse R.'s full last name? It might be fun to do a Scientology search on him.
Jesse Remmers and his companion Peter la Serpe.
He had a started an organisation, Nofelon (yeah.. really :)
website: Nofelon (not maintained for years)
Address: Schoener 311, 1186 VE, Amstelveen. tel. 0800 6633566

And that's about all the info we have :/
However, there must be some record somewhere of the courses they have taken, and there must be ex-sci's somewhere who can tell to what level they were members of the CoS (however, i can understand it completely if they don't dare to talk about that... )
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One way or another, we can use this on a regional lvl. Its the same as with the Manson- connection. Sadly, the genneral public wont be intereted if you go into extreem details about how unfair the tax-exempt status of the CoS, but a flashy phrase like ''James Manson left for being too weird'' will get their interest up.

You mean Charles? Charlie? Chuckie?


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