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Old 03-01-2008, 06:25 PM   #41 (link to here)
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Re: Brainstorm Megathread!

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I have two things:

1. Anonymous should support Ron Paul in any way feasible. He is a strict Constitutionalist and has been an advocate for internet freedom since the tubes first connected. He would certainly wield an iron fist at the "C"o$ if he knew they were violating the first amendment.
NO. Anonymous does not do politics.
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Old 03-02-2008, 06:52 AM   #42 (link to here)
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Re: Brainstorm Megathread!

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I have two things:

1. Anonymous should support Ron Paul in any way feasible. He is a strict Constitutionalist and has been an advocate for internet freedom since the tubes first connected. He would certainly wield an iron fist at the "C"o$ if he knew they were violating the first amendment.
NO. Anonymous does not do politics.
Second. NO.

Nothing will break up a movement faster than mixing it up with politics. There are already politicians, actors, talk show hosts, etc that I now completely dismiss because they opened up their big mouths. Best to keep political opinions to yourself.
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Old 03-02-2008, 09:29 AM   #43 (link to here)
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Anonymous doesn't do politics but is angry about the First Amendment violations of the corporation, and is sending letters to politicians about it.
1+1=4?

Let me put it this way: If there was a canidate running that was very pro-$cifi (Hillary?), then that person being elected would be a blow to Anon, so a person running swearing to straighten up the IRS and who is a strict constitutionalist would be a boon if elected. If we don't care what politicians will help us, why do we care what celebrities will? We have a large operation to save Will Smith, and him being saved will have a far lesser impact then if we could ensure we had fair people running D.C.
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Old 03-02-2008, 10:13 AM   #44 (link to here)
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Re: Brainstorm Megathread!

No active duty military member will take part in these protests. If a commanding officer heard that one of their personnel was going out and wearing a mask at a protest they'd flip the fuck out. The DoD is very concerned about groups forming within it not subject to the chain of command. This may sound irrational, but there was an incident in the '90s where [url=http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=322:1si40wme]Steven Barry[/url:1si40wme], then a Green Beret Sergeant at Fort Bragg, formed a white supremacist organization called Special Forces Underground targeting Special Forces soldiers. We know we're not evil, but we just look too suspicious for the military to stomach.

Outreach to the military would be difficult. They're all taught to treat protesters with a large deal of suspicion. However, there's a lot for people with military connections to hate about the CoS, dating back to L. Ron's fake claims of being a war hero. If we speak to retired or active military personnel, or people from military families or with military background, we need to express the facts to them not as Anonymous or as "people opposed to Scientology", but rather as people who have learned these terrible facts and need to spread them.
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Old 03-02-2008, 04:07 PM   #45 (link to here)
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Re: Brainstorm Megathread!

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Anonymous doesn't do politics but is angry about the First Amendment violations of the corporation, and is sending letters to politicians about it.
1+1=4?
Politicians (plural) being the operative word here. All politicians. Lining up behind one candidate sows division amongst us and alienates future new members.

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Let me put it this way: If there was a canidate running that was very pro-$cifi (Hillary?), then that person being elected would be a blow to Anon, so a person running swearing to straighten up the IRS and who is a strict constitutionalist would be a boon if elected. If we don't care what politicians will help us, why do we care what celebrities will?
Both major political parties have been swayed into meetings with Tom Cruise to discuss their problem in Germany (this is discussed in Andrew Morton's book). If the Dems and Repubs were both talked into taking Cruise seriously, why should we expect a third party to be any different? I'm sure you consider RP to be an ethical guy who is above that, but Ron Paul can't run the whole government. TL;DR politicians like to meet movie stars, so casting a wide net is best.

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We have a large operation to save Will Smith, and him being saved will have a far lesser impact then if we could ensure we had fair people running D.C.
Fair people running DC? I loled. :wink:

Srsly anon, I see where you are coming from but endorsing a political figure is different from contacting your local elected politicians.
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Old 03-03-2008, 05:51 PM   #46 (link to here)
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Re: Brainstorm Megathread!

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Anonymous doesn't do politics but is angry about the First Amendment violations of the corporation, and is sending letters to politicians about it.
1+1=4?
I'm not a one-issue voter, I don't intend to become one, and I don't advise anyone else to become one either. Endorsing candidates = bad idea.
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Old 03-03-2008, 07:06 PM   #47 (link to here)
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Ok lot's of posts here. And I am not sure if anyone else thought of it so here goes:

This is an idea that will not work if anyone in $ci is aware of it, however, I can say that it might possibly encourage more people to "snap out of it" so to speak. It is NOT illegal, NOT violent and does not harm any animals. I did some research into the "tech" as it were, and discovered some things about it's hold on people, and the basis of much of it is autohypnosis. The individual essentially goes into a trance, and the tech is basically programming the person. I might know a way to insert a meme into the programming. I am still researching, but I think I have a very viable way to get the meme's across without resorting to subliminal videos. Basically, imagine your mind, everyday is constantly processing data...be it street noise, dogs barking, whatever. Your conscious mind filters out that data as unimportant. The same goes for people who are indoctrinated, however, their filter has been altered by the tech so getting a point across will not register and will be ignored. Think of bypassing the normal conscious filters, thereby allowing one to "implant" an idea, or meme, which could serve to open a particular individual's mind and have them question the tech.
I've thought of a pamphlet of sorts, one that would not name scientology but that warns of the Dangers of Hypnosis that could be passed out to the poor misguided fucks that protest psychiatry.

Of course, to make it a sharp knife you'd have to really be careful not to mention scientology or anon. The way I'm imagining it; instead of naming the E-meter just say, "Often props are used, things you can hold in your hands".

I'm also down with the Flying SM btw

Point Driven Home about Politics so STFU
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Old 03-03-2008, 11:44 PM   #48 (link to here)
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I've thought of a pamphlet of sorts, one that would not name scientology but that warns of the Dangers of Hypnosis that could be passed out to the poor misguided fucks that protest psychiatry.
This, definitely. I've tried to think of a way to do it, but I just don't have the writing skills. It would have to be very subtle-describing TRs etc, but in a way where the similarity to TRs is not immediately obvious. Clever wording that would sink in slowly... then maybe next time they practice TRs they'd remember things they read in the pamphlet? :lrhcries:

Are there any Psychfags around here? Hellooo??
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Old 03-04-2008, 12:35 AM   #49 (link to here)
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Re: Brainstorm Megathread!

What about exercising our own right to form and practice religion? We could start the Cult (or Church) of Xenu! I can see the sermons now...

Praise Xenu, for without him, humanity would have never evolved. Think about it, 75 million years ago, when he saw the dire overpopulation problem in the Galactic Confederacy, he took drastic action to curb it. Yes, it may have seemed barbaric, but think of the alternative. Billions of surplus aliens, given millions of years to procreate, would have been a severe strain on galactic resources. We would have had refugees and bandits alike pillaging planets. Earth would have been a prime target. Our ape ancestors would have either been enslaved as beasts of burden, or consumed as livestock. His decisiveness spared our planet and our species from certain doom. Embrace your body thetans! Others would tell you they're a burden, that they're the cause of poor mental health, and should be expelled from your body. To the ignoramus, yes, but to the trained individual, they're a blessing. Inside us all are millions of souls. One who can focus their metal energies can isolate individual thetans and gain the knowledge of an advanced being. Over time, that person could gain the knowledge of a dozen space-faring civilizations!

[/end bullshit]

I'm not entirely familiar (I don't know a goddamn thing) with copyright and trademark law, but I'm certain that as long as we reword the space opera, we should be able to get away with fair use. It would be a convenient way to expose the hypocrisy of them hiding behind the rights awarded to them but denying the same rights to others. And, it'll educate the whole Xenu/dead alien souls thing to others. Because despite the South Park episode, many people don't even know what the hell a thetan or who Xenu is. All they know of $cientology is that it's some kooky Holylwood fad.
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Old 03-04-2008, 02:31 AM   #50 (link to here)
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What about exercising our own right to form and practice religion? We could start the Cult (or Church) of Xenu! I can see the sermons now...
Yes! This is exactly why I'm a Pastafarian.
Freedom of religion. The $cifags never shut up about it. Hail Xenu!
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Old 03-04-2008, 04:08 AM   #51 (link to here)
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Re: Brainstorm Megathread!

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Ok lot's of posts here. And I am not sure if anyone else thought of it so here goes:

This is an idea that will not work if anyone in $ci is aware of it, however, I can say that it might possibly encourage more people to "snap out of it" so to speak. It is NOT illegal, NOT violent and does not harm any animals. I did some research into the "tech" as it were, and discovered some things about it's hold on people, and the basis of much of it is autohypnosis. The individual essentially goes into a trance, and the tech is basically programming the person. I might know a way to insert a meme into the programming. I am still researching, but I think I have a very viable way to get the meme's across without resorting to subliminal videos. Basically, imagine your mind, everyday is constantly processing data...be it street noise, dogs barking, whatever. Your conscious mind filters out that data as unimportant. The same goes for people who are indoctrinated, however, their filter has been altered by the tech so getting a point across will not register and will be ignored. Think of bypassing the normal conscious filters, thereby allowing one to "implant" an idea, or meme, which could serve to open a particular individual's mind and have them question the tech.
I've thought of a pamphlet of sorts, one that would not name scientology but that warns of the Dangers of Hypnosis that could be passed out to the poor misguided fucks that protest psychiatry.

Of course, to make it a sharp knife you'd have to really be careful not to mention scientology or anon. The way I'm imagining it; instead of naming the E-meter just say, "Often props are used, things you can hold in your hands".
THIS.

This builds on the doubt they may already be feeling without getting their guard up. And considering hypnosis' tie to psychology it could be some epic fucking win. No copyright violation worries etc.

I'll pull some stuff together tonight and return with a draft. :text:
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Old 03-04-2008, 12:34 PM   #52 (link to here)
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What about exercising our own right to form and practice religion? We could start the Cult (or Church) of Xenu! I can see the sermons now...
Yes! This is exactly why I'm a Pastafarian.
Freedom of religion. The $cifags never shut up about it. Hail Xenu!
I'm for being Pastafarian. It's an interesting enough ploy to hold Anon's short attention span, and would draw us some publicity with which to double back onto $cienide. "If you think FSM getting tax-exemption is crazy, wait untill you hear THIS"
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Old 03-04-2008, 03:31 PM   #53 (link to here)
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Re: Brainstorm Megathread!

AnonyTsunami:

This is not the place to press your obvious political agenda.

But on a lighter note, the XenuTV vid in your sig is fucking incredible, watch 5:55 where one of the guys says XENU and the Scieno girl behind him spins around looking like a cockroach just bit her vagina.
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Old 03-04-2008, 05:42 PM   #54 (link to here)
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AnonyTsunami:

This is not the place to press your obvious political agenda.

But on a lighter note, the XenuTV vid in your sig is fucking incredible, watch 5:55 where one of the guys says XENU and the Scieno girl behind him spins around looking like a cockroach just bit her vagina.
"Pressing" my "obvious political agenda" is pretty strong seeing as how I haven't pressed it further.
I've moved on.
So should you.
Damn.

But on a lighter note, you can see the worry on Dan's face when they confront him about his superpowers.
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Old 03-04-2008, 07:38 PM   #55 (link to here)
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What about exercising our own right to form and practice religion? We could start the Cult (or Church) of Xenu! I can see the sermons now...
A worthwhile poster on SomethingAwful pulled this one about a year and a half ago...or so. It was all fun and games for a while, the thread got a GOLD rating and the website http://www.firstchurchofxenu.com/ ~~~---->(http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www ... fxenu.com/)got a shit ton of traffic but eventually the momentum died and the site got parked. In my opinion it's because everyone involved knew it was bullshit and so there could be no real initiates.

It takes a lot of effort to lie and the internet is too smart and too adept at calling out bullshit for this tactic to be successful. You'd end up being forever on the defensive...like the scientologists are currently.

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Old 03-04-2008, 10:53 PM   #56 (link to here)
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Xenu is red herring.
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