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Re: Euro-folks: Data Protection Laws and Lulz
I've been looking for local law firms who do drop-in advice sessions and have a couple of leads that I'll check out tomorrow and see if I can run the drafts of this letter past them.
For the same reason that Scientology will try to use every loophole available, I do want to use the paragraph " The information provided in this letter is to be used only for providing myself with copies of any and all private information held on the Church Of Scientologys records." I want to make sure that they can't use an argument like "well he said the information we already have - we recieved this information after the info we already have." I don't think they have anything other than a few photos of me without a mask on (although they've probably linked this username to the photo now) and the info on this letter would be a goldmine. Either they comply 100% with the letter and the law and I'm safe from fair game, or they ignore it, fair game me and I have the information commisioner pay for my lawyers. I've also expanded a little bit on the reasons why I'm telling them to stop all processing - this seems to be the only part of the law which is possibly open to interpretation and discussion so I want this to be a slam dunk. This is the draft at the moment (few gramatical errors I've noticed as well): Quote:
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Re: Euro-folks: Data Protection Laws and Lulz
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Re: Euro-folks: Data Protection Laws and Lulz
Cite Bonnie Woods. Legal precedent that resulted in Scientology paying out to her and having to publicly apologise. Case closed.
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If you are looking for CCTV information that might be stored about you, remember that the CO$ can turn this about on you if you have made any recordings of them. for Irelandanons, here are the CCTV rules of the Data Protection Act 1988 and 2003 Data Protection & CCTV - Data Protection Commissioner - Ireland Maximum price they may charge for supplying the information €6.35 and they can only retain the information for 40 days. and for all you Euroanon out there: European Union Data Protection Authorities Austria http://www.dsk.gv.at/ Belgium http://www.privacy.fgov.be/ Bulgaria http://www.cpdp.bg Cyprus http://www.dataprotection.gov.cy/ Czech Republic http://www.uoou.cz/ Denmark http://www.datatilsynet.dk/ Estonia mailto:urmas.kukk@dp.gov.ee Finland http://www.tietosuoja.fi/ France http://www.cnil.fr/ Germany http://www.bfd.bund.de/ Greece http://www.dpa.gr/ Hungary http://abiweb.obh.hu/ Ireland http://www.dataprotection.ie/ Italy http://www.garanteprivacy.it/ Latvia http://www.dvi.gov.lv/ Lithuania http://www.ada.lt/ Luxembourg http://www.cnpd.lu/ Malta http://www.dataprotection.gov.mt/ Netherlands http://www.cbpweb.nl/ Poland http://www.giodo.gov.pl/ Portugal http://www.cnpd.pt/ Romania http://www.dataprotection.ro Slovakia http://www.dataprotection.gov.sk/ Slovenia mailto:jernej.rovsek@varuhrs.si Spain http://www.agpd.es/ Sweden http://www.datainspektionen.se/ United Kingdom http://www.dataprotection.gov.uk/ |
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Re: Euro-folks: Data Protection Laws and Lulz
The more and more i read about this the more i love it, and the more im realising why we arent really seeing any US style fair gaming over here.
Combined with the Bonnie Woods case, pretty much everything theyve done in US; Posting info on internet, Giving Info to PIs, would leave them in deep shit legally here. And i think a few well placed requests from people who have been photographed could lead them to stop photographing whatsoever. Worries about them using your additional info, name/address are protected against due to "Personal information may be kept for no longer than is necessary." so they can only keep your name info while they're dealing with your request, and "Require that data is not used in a way which causes damage or distress." so if they do attempt to do anything with your data they are in violation and in deep shit. I'd be really interest for more infomation about how they have prove you have no infomation about you, all the stuff in government material assumes they either comply or do not comply, nothing about lying. Also, I freaking love UK laws. |
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Re: Euro-folks: Data Protection Laws and Lulz
Bonnie Woods is fantastic! Thank you! I believe I've found the law firm which handled her case (free of charge according to The Guardian!) and I'm gonna give them a bell later to see if they'd be interested in covering us should we be fair gamed.
I don't think that it was a conviction regarding DPA though - seemed to be more general damages according to the reports I've read. I don't want to go down the road of "If you fair game us we'll sue for damages" - I want to stay along the lines of "If you break the data protection act, we'll sue for damages". I reckon those pesky cultists might take the first one as a challenge... Either way, another paragraph: "Also note that on June 8th 1991, Scientology was ordered to pay damages of £55,000 as well as £100,000 in costs to Bonnie Woods. This was due to publishing false and demeaning information about her to the general public for simply speaking out against the Church - an obvious example of the Fair Game policy still being in effect." I don't see how they can turn this on us dub - we're not a public entity registered with the information commissioner. As long as we're stood on public property or we have the property owners permission, we have the right to take photos of whatever we damn well please as long as they're for personal use. As for turning this into a prefab letter, I don't want to fall foul of us spitefully filing requests. I work for a bank and I know we were inundated with pre-formatted DPA requests regarding bank charges (some people didn't even bother to change the names on the letters) and we didn't ignore them. Considering the scale of the bank charges campaign, I'm surprised that the "higher-ups" didn't decide to ignore the obviously pre-formatted letters if it were illegal. Having said that, I'd rather put together a guide with some set phrases (such as the last two paragraphs of my current draft) as well as examples and sources for anons to put together themselves. Again, I don't think it's illegal to use pre-formatted letters but we've learnt not to give them an inch. |
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Re: Euro-folks: Data Protection Laws and Lulz
Well, you can do that, but unless it's sent by registered post to the registered Data Controller's address listed on the DPR, it has no legal force.
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Also, I love you dub, that list of Data Protection Agency sites is exactly what we needed. THIS IS GOING TO WORK. The CoS got owned by the Hungarian Data Protection Registrar, too. See page 51 of this PDF. Last edited by Theta Omega; 04-10-2008 at 02:20 AM. |
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Re: Euro-folks: Data Protection Laws and Lulz
A tiny thing, but would it be worth changing:
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Or not? either way good work to date! |
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Re: Euro-folks: Data Protection Laws and Lulz
great idea, one remark:
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Re: Euro-folks: Data Protection Laws and Lulz
I've been speaking to the Data Commisioners office. Ladies and gentlemen, we have our ace in the sleeve. We have 100% protection from Fair Game in the UK. I'm writing up a full report but probably wont be able to post it until after entub comes back online.
We're not far wrong with the current draft - there's just a couple of clarifications and amendments to do but what we're saying and hoping is 100% correct. UK Anons are safe - the data commissioners office has our backs. |
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Re: Euro-folks: Data Protection Laws and Lulz
The Data Protection Registrar is pretty much the dog with bees in its mouth so when it barks it shoots bees at them, I gather.
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Re: Euro-folks: Data Protection Laws and Lulz
Someone needs to legally change their name to Xenu and then put in data protection act request - for great justice.
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Re: Euro-folks: Data Protection Laws and Lulz
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As I said earlier, the Information Commissioner's Office has had a lot of bad press lately in the UK what with the huge leaks of government information about people's private business and stuff. They are looking for good publicity and easy wins, and protecting all of us- though no doubt they'll paint us as a bunch of kids- from an evil cult is an extremely easy win for them. |
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Re: Euro-folks: Data Protection Laws and Lulz
Ok people, report time! What's the idea? We intend to use the data protection act to do one of two things - either to provide 100% complete and utter protection from fair gaming in the UK (and most likely in all EU countries), or we will catch them with their pants down their ankles, arseholes lubed up with spread cheeks as they break the data protection act and incur a full investigation into all procedures and practices by the Information Commissioner. What's the drawback? To do this you WILL be made known to them. If you're being fair gamed already then it's not going to make any difference. If you're not being fair gamed then you're handing all the details they need to fair game you on a silver platter with a "please rape me" sign on. However. If they do rape you, there will be a full investigation including incredibly hefty fines as well as the complete and utter loss of the right to hold personal data by the cult. Oh, and you'll be entitled to a very very nice sum of compensation which will be a slam dunk court case. So what's the theory? The Data Protection act provides you with a certain amount of rights with regards to personal information held about you anywhere in the UK as well as placing harsh restrictions on companies on how they hold and use that information. You can read the full act here: Data Protection Act 1998 (c. 29) You can read the information commissioners explanation of the act as well as their summary of your rights here: The Data Protection Act - Information Commissioner's Office - ICO Quote:
So, the particular parts that we're looking at. 1. You have the right to request a copy of all the information held on yourself by a company. This includes all personal information, any internal documents or memos about yourself, CCTV and photos etc. To do this is called a Data Subject Request. Companies are allowed to charge up to £10 to provide you with this information and must do so within 40 days of recieving a request. Source: How to access information - Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) 2. You have the right to request them to stop processing your information if you have good reason to believe it will cause you unnecesary distress. This is fair game. You have the right to tell them to stop fair game, and if they do not then the information commisioner will wade in, lawyers first. This does not cost anything and simply takes the form of a letter. They have 21 days to confirm that they have stopped processing your information or provide the reason that they have not. If the reason is not good enough or you believe it is false, then you can send the information commisioner in. Source: Preventing processing of information - Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) I spoke to the information commissioners office on the phone (08456 30 60 60) and confirmed the following: - The Church Of Scientology would not be allowed to post your personal information including, but not limited to, age, date of birth, photos, address, phone number, sexual preferences, past convictions, current convictions, ailments and accusations to the general public or to other companies without your consent. - Regardless of the other illegalities of fair gaming and harrasing you and your friends, fair game is more than enough justification to tell them to stop processing your information and the Church Of Scientology must comply by law. The lass that I spoke to confirmed that sh |