In the unlikely even a Scientologist defects...

Has anyone given this any thought? It's a really, really, low possibility, but what if someone makes a break for it from a "church", or merely enters the crowd and asks for "asylum".

During the March 15th raids, a letter was passed to a protester in an unknown location in the U.S. by a Scientologist. The video is on youtube, but the link escapes me. I remember there were offers of getting the person to a safe location and back to their family if they decided to defect on April 12th.

We'll need to be ready for this. Considering the volume of OSA infiltrators we can be expecting on Saturday, we'll have to be very careful to get them out of sight, fast. If they've got family, get them there, just as fast. It'll probably fall to the Anonymous member to whom they defect to get them there.

Any other ideas? This topic feels very heavy as we're dealing with lives, and I want to make sure that if called upon I'll know what to do.

Originally Posted by AnonymousBowler

Has anyone given this any thought? It's a really, really, low possibility, but what if someone makes a break for it from a "church", or merely enters the crowd and asks for "asylum".

During the March 15th raids, a letter was passed to a protester in an unknown location in the U.S. by a Scientologist. The video is on youtube, but the link escapes me. I remember there were offers of getting the person to a safe location and back to their family if they decided to defect on April 12th.

We'll need to be ready for this. Considering the volume of OSA infiltrators we can be expecting on Saturday, we'll have to be very careful to get them out of sight, fast. If they've got family, get them there, just as fast. It'll probably fall to the Anonymous member to whom they defect to get them there.

Any other ideas? This topic feels very heavy as we're dealing with lives, and I want to make sure that if called upon I'll know what to do.

This is definitely worthy of consideration. Good call.

i have been thinking on this myself. i am planning to have my cell with me, and can dial any person that person would want to contact... i think at any demonstration we can pool cash on hand for a hotel room (this was suggested somewhere else). what's the best way to escape, though?

EXTRA MASKS AND OUTERWEAR.

If NOTHING else, quickly throwing a mask/bandanna and jacket/tshirt on someone will confuse OSA long enough to hopefully bury the defecter in the middle of a crowd. For the love of sanity, though, keep an eye on them, we don't need a plant trying this to earn our trust.

It would be a good idea to have at least a few prepaid cellular phones at each major area.

Or better yet, have a designated hotel meeting place which defectors could be taken. A laptop for looking up long-lost phone numbers plus a few supportive anons would go well too.


People shouldn't be given the hotel's location directly. Instead, have a group of about 5 who stage their own mini-protest someplace easily accessible by foot traffic. They will be the ones to book the hotel room. To gain access, a defector will be escorted by a few anons to their group. Then they can be challenged with a few questions to verify themselves, before being directed to the hotel room.


This group should be able to count the number of people heading for the hotel. Another group of anons in the hotel itself should be expecting exactly that many arriving. If a bunch of OSA all show up and start admiring the lobby architecture, then they would call it off.


Sounds a bit complicated, i know. But you'd really only need about 5-6 people altogether.

Since the police have, for the most part, been friendly, neutral, and/or sympathetic to the cause, (Atlanta notwithstanding..) what about simply asking for a police escort? If this is a retarded idea, just tell me to STFU...

Originally Posted by Ten Tigers

Since the police have, for the most part, been friendly, neutral, and/or sympathetic to the cause, (Atlanta notwithstanding..) what about simply asking for a police escort? If this is a retarded idea, just tell me to STFU...

Heh. might also be worth asking the local district attorney about witness protection programs, if any higher level staff members are planning to blow. They might know things that the church wouldn't want getting out.

Isn't this going a little too far? I mean, I very highly doubt that anyone within CoS is going to use force to bring someone back inside. The prison that these people are in is the prison in their mind. Once they make the decision to get out, they're out. No way is OSA going to violently oppose an escapee, especially with over 9000 video cameras rolling.

We can't completely discount it either. There was that couple mentioned in Time's article that fled their hotel after realizing that the Scilons had them bugged. They alleged that they were pursued by Scis on foot and in vehicles. But it does seem unlikely that they would try this during a public demonstration.

What would happen if someone just walked inside and asked the org's staff if they want to call it quits? Or at least if they want to have a private meeting somewhere else.

Some of them might have too much stress piled on them, and might take the opportunity to get out.

Originally Posted by Iforgot

What would happen if someone just walked inside and asked the org's staff if they want to call it quits? Or at least if they want to have a private meeting somewhere else.

Some of them might have too much stress piled on them, and might take the opportunity to get out.

Ballsy... I like it! :D

Originally Posted by Anonymous89

We can't completely discount it either. There was that couple mentioned in Time's article that fled their hotel after realizing that the Scilons had them bugged. They alleged that they were pursued by Scis on foot and in vehicles. But it does seem unlikely that they would try this during a public demonstration.

Okay but... pursued them on foot and in vehicles and then did what? If the person wants to leave, the Scns aren't going to fucking tackle and handcuff them in the middle of the street. Manufacturing this idea of "oh God, we've got to sneak you away, get into this van quick! Code Indigo Lapdog! Go go go!" is stupid. If someone leaves Scientology, they should have nothing to hide and nothing to fear. Instilling morbid fear of what Scientology will do to them if/when they leave is the opposite of what we should be doing.

Originally Posted by Iforgot

What would happen if someone just walked inside and asked the org's staff if they want to call it quits? Or at least if they want to have a private meeting somewhere else.

Some of them might have too much stress piled on them, and might take the opportunity to get out.

Gee, I don't know, what do you think happens when you just walk right onto CoS property with good intentions?

Yes, you might walk into an Org and blurt out two convincing sentences that put someone right over the edge so that they immediately stand up, renounce Scientology, and walk out with you. You might also bump into the Olsen Twins on a bus and convince them to come over to your place for a threesome. lern2realism

I agree with Eff, but my writing is less vivid and my tone is less harsh. If this does happen, by all means aid the person, but don't think that Sci-ninjas are going to charge out and begin an epic battle with policemen and Mudkips. However, if some violence does happen, remember that you are surrounded by both cameras and law enforcement - the crackdown, should it happen, will be swift and lulz worthy.

Originally Posted by Eff

Okay but... pursued them on foot and in vehicles and then did what? If the person wants to leave, the Scns aren't going to fucking tackle and handcuff them in the middle of the street. Manufacturing this idea of "oh God, we've got to sneak you away, get into this van quick! Code Indigo Lapdog! Go go go!" is stupid. If someone leaves Scientology, they should have nothing to hide and nothing to fear. Instilling morbid fear of what Scientology will do to them if/when they leave is the opposite of what we should be doing.



Gee, I don't know, what do you think happens when you just walk right onto CoS property with good intentions?

Yes, you might walk into an Org and blurt out two convincing sentences that put someone right over the edge so that they immediately stand up, renounce Scientology, and walk out with you. You might also bump into the Olsen Twins on a bus and convince them to come over to your place for a threesome. lern2realism

It really depends on if the org staff are happy where they are, or if they are waiting for an opportunity to blow. We aren't really privy to this sort of information. If you were to walk in and ask on any given day, you might get told off, but walking in and offering them a way out while there's a few hundred anon's outside might get a very different response.


Encouraging single defections may lead to mass defections, which could cripple or shut down entire orgs. Going out to lunch and a long friendly chat might seem a lot more preferable than justifying their lack of stats back to gold base.

If we ask them, they may defect. If we offer ways for them to discreetly get out and talk without retribution from the church, then they may defect. Both routes should be considered. Otherwise, the church might learn to ignore us and continue with business as usual. If that happens, they may be able to ignore us longer than we can keep up 10,000 people/month protests.


Kill the plant at the roots. CoS is nothing if not perennial.

Keep in mind that some of the smaller orgs may be staffed by nothing more than a skeleton crew on protest days, in order to limit their flock's exposure to the truth. If someone does show up, however, fell free to set up an evac plan.

Originally Posted by Eff

Isn't this going a little too far? I mean, I very highly doubt that anyone within CoS is going to use force to bring someone back inside. The prison that these people are in is the prison in their mind. Once they make the decision to get out, they're out. No way is OSA going to violently oppose an escapee, especially with over 9000 video cameras rolling.

No ... they'll just wait until the demonstration disperses.

Imagine being that defector when the demonstration starts to disperse, and nobody has a plan what to do ...

The other problem is that if there's no plan, it's a perfect opportunity for them to pull something really nasty. Like a fake defector somehow alleging mistreatment by Anons afterwards.