Amsterdam, NL

Let's do this.

Discussion points:
- 11am or 1pm? [BOTH: 11am first wave, 1pm second wave.]
- Burger King or different location? Anon got in trouble for wearing masks at the station. [Outside the station, main hall front exit.]
- Official "code of conduct" plan in case of infiltration/fail.
- More signs, better slogans.
- This thread in English or in Dutch? (I'm assuming we can all read English - not all Anon in Amsterdam can read Dutch.)


HQ: http://www.taartenlollies.nl

Let's keep the thread in english so that people from other countries can read this too.

1pm is a better time since some of us have long travel times. And there is a bigger chance that more people would come if they have more time. I dont know how other people do that but here we eat at 12am so if the protest starts at 11am a lot of people might leave. It's also probably busier on the streets at 1pm.

I saw someone with lollies on the flyers. That worked really well. Everyone was reading them as soon as they got them. We need a lot more english flyers this time. Almost everyone can read english and there where to many people who couldnt read dutch

Originally Posted by a_no_nymous

I saw someone with lollies on the flyers. That worked really well. Everyone was reading them as soon as they got them.

I had lollies on my flyers too, but they didn't pass out all that well. Have a lot of stock left for next protest. Perhaps I'm too big of a creep.

Anyhow, I propose gathering in front of the station, masks aren't allowed on the inside of the building according to the cops. Plus, more people can see us while gathering and we can get the message across to them.

I don't see why we need a new code of conduct. The rules as stated on the wiki have sufficed so far, and also cover possibilities of things going wrong.

Originally Posted by Mouseyhair

Let's do this.

Discussion points:
- 11am or 1pm?
- Burger King or different location? Anon got in trouble for wearing masks at the station.
- Official "code of conduct" plan in case of infiltration/fail.
- More signs, better slogans.
- This thread in English or in Dutch? (I'm assuming we can all read English - not all Anon in Amsterdam can read Dutch.)

-1pm for latefags, earlyfags 11pm, worked well, why don't keep that.
-Burger King was fail anyway. Outside the station is probably better and you can even start holding up signs and hand out flyers. You allready attract the attention. I have no idea where a good spot is to meet outside the station, http://maps.google.com/ probably has old pics.
- Do we really need this? Last two raids went nearly flawless, why would this one go wrong?
- Definately more signs, slogans have to change again because change of raid topic. Also focus on flyers, people might keep these and look at them again once at home. The flyers have to be attractive and not contain walls of text.
- English

Last raid was about taxes, not many anonymous were aware of this topic and were just handing out flyers which are in general against Scientology. Since the topic will be the Disconnection policy and that being a sensitive subject in society, we should focus more on handing out flyers on that specific topic. Nevertheless we should continue handing out general flyers, flyers for teh lulz and indeed maybe keep the lollies from Party Hard. They worked and also gets the attention of younger children, which are accompanied by parents.

I heard that someone is arranging a mobile power station, so we will probably have an epic audio system to hold speeches about Scientology and teh lulz music.

Also point of discussion: where to hold our raid? In front of Co$ is epic. At Beursplein is lots of people. I wouldn't recommend both, as people will keep changing of location, resulting in epic fail of raid.

Post moar!

I have a few things to say ^^


- Time. I was there saturday and it worked good really. I don't think we need to change.

- Flyers+Lollipops. Maybe it was because I am a Anonette, but my experience was that it really worked well. During my trip in the train ( on the way there. Oh irony.) I had a idea. Why don't we make really small strokes of paper which have a simple text like just a link to xenu.net or something in such a direction, attach them to lollipops and hand them out? It works better than a huge paper with a lollipop sticked on top.

- Different gathering place. As said in front of the station would be a good plan.

- Passwords to filter out infiltration. Bad idea if you ask me. I'm not a newfag but some things said on that saturday were things I did not get. And if some Anons accidently don't read something, they might be pointed out as Scifags while they maybe are not.

- Control. Last saturday I saw a few fags sitting on a bench, with their masks up, drinking beer. Which they had concealed in a paper bag so that it would not attract attention. But the policewomen saw it and told them to throw it away. They just remained sitting there.
This really pissed me off. Next time, we have to check each other on this kind of stuff if you ask me. Like if a group of Anons would've gone there and would've told them to either behave or GTFO. This kind of stuff makes a bad impression.

- Information. Stuff above related. We should make sure every Anon who is going to the next demonstration knows the rules and knows what the subject is. It was also useful to hand out not so specific flyers, I think we have done a good job at spreading information last saturday.
Make sure it is stated cleary here and on taartenlollies. And of course if Anons read neither it's their own fault.

- Masks. Perhaps it would be wise to (also) bring a mask which keeps your mouth free. I had a lot of trouble eating and drinking normally. Also, if you're going to explain things to people, talking.

- Split-up plan. Some Anons told me that it was really done neatly the first time, but now it was sort of confusing. We stood near the station, some left already but also some went to eat at the burger king. Maybe it would be wise to consider how we're going to split up because then it might make it more diffcult for scifags to follow.

- Newspaper/photographers.
Last time there was a short bit in the newspaper, now I've hardly seen anything. Also there is only a link to Het Parool on taartenlollies. How did this happen? Lack of interest by the press or a mistake in the organisation?

tl;dr?
...no tl;dr, just read it :p

We already have a permit for the spot just outside the org. Beursplein was epic win, and we could still return there some other time, but 12/4 will be Nieuwezijds Voorburgwal. Of course, flyer runs on the Dam are still an option.

Speaking of flyers: DO NOT POST ANYTHING about where we get our swag. If you go out to buy more delicious caek, more propaganda, or anything at all, don't mention where. Always be on the lookout for sci plants. If the store tells you to take off your mask, go to a secluded place (elevator, coffeeshop bathroom, brothel) and change there. Make sure your disguise is easy to remove. Never move alone - always gather up a few anon to go along with you on any run.

Passwords would be complete fail. The only test we need is OT3. Bring OT3, OT7 and (just to be sure) OT8. It's all a bit tl;dr so stick to core parts.

Know your representatives. If for any reason you're unable to answer a question (whether from the press, from bystanders, or from scilons), ask an oldfag. If you don't know who the oldfags are, ask Karin Spaink or Jeta Eggers to do the talking for you. (And speaking of Jeta: don't mention him or his presence to the press. Scientology has seriously fucked up his google results.)

We'll gather outside the main station. It's got more than one exit. We'll choose the one from the main hall.

Each anon should try to make protest signs. No memes. Print/copy at least 200 flyers: 100 in Dutch, 100 in English. Bring caek.

I'll bring chalk. Scribbling down OT3 on the sidewalk in front of the org would work a charm.

Flyers can be attached to lollipops quite easily using folding and a perforator.

Point the newfags to this link http://www.whyweprotest.net/ for an overview of why we protest(we need to get this site on flyers too, since it's a multilingual site.). Stress the importance of them knowing their stuff. The impression an uninformed protester leaves is disastrous to the cause.

Most people get the message even with the gratious use of memes, since they can read the flyers and the links. Banning them completely is heresy and works counterproductive.

We now have a subpage for mini-raids: http://taartenlollies.nl/index.php?title=Mini_raids, these could work a treat in raising awareness of the protest itself, and recruit more people. And instead of placing recruitment posters, we could place recruitment stickers, as they can be placed in more locations and are less likely to be removed.

We have a list of press contacts: http://taartenlollies.nl/index.php?t...ntact_met_pers, maybe we should add a checklist for each protest with whether or not each of the entries has been contacted in advance. Do know that though the protests are worldwide, they are relatively small, and a Saturday was an added disadvantage since papers don't appear on Sunday that much, which explains the media drought.

Btw, I've seen Jeta's Google results, they're mostly just plain slander sites and slander posts by a guy named Gerrit Wammes. I doubt the press will take those sites very seriously. Still, if the Scieno's are truly behind it, we should a)show the slander methods to the press if we have enough evidence b)attempt to have them taken down, or else drop them in the pageranks. The internet is our stomping ground, we can't let the CoS have their way here.

Some thoughts of mine. (I have yet to join an IRL protest though, will be there in April)
- Burger King was fail from the beginning IMHO. Outside entrance is a good choice.
- Try to just dress fairly decent (so not baggy pants and T-shirt plox) and have a pretty standard mask. I think this will less likely scare people.
- Flyers -> Dutch/English/Raid-specific/neutral all good
- In-Group Management! Plz, like Anon12012 pointed out. If I would've been there I would definitely told them to throw it away or GTFO that instant. This is not that big a problem, but if this happens more it will... Please, we all read the rules, remind anyone that breaks them of what they agreed to by joining the protest. I think there should be someone with a paper that has the rules in case anyone just joined and didn't know of any rules. He/she can go read them on the spot. I personally think these people should be kept to a minimum. (I don't want to keep people away though, but a little decency.. come on!)

I think that demonstrating at Beursplein would be more effective if we want to get our message to the people, instead of just showing the scifags that we're still 'after' them, by standing across their building. Ofcourse there will be people walking there, but not as many as we can reach at Beursplein, because it's the main street from Central Station to the shopping center. But that's just my opinion.


Oh, and I agree with sticking small strokes with something like websites to lollies instead of big papers :)

Originally Posted by Niemand

I think that demonstrating at Beursplein would be more effective if we want to get our message to the people, instead of just showing the scifags that we're still 'after' them, by standing across their building. Ofcourse there will be people walking there, but not as many as we can reach at Beursplein, because it's the main street from Central Station to the shopping center. But that's just my opinion.


Oh, and I agree with sticking small strokes with something like websites to lollies instead of big papers :)

Lollies were epic win, they helped me hand out a lot of fliers. Also, we need to get a permit to hand out fliers on Damrak, so many people pass by there, it's ridiculous the speed at which the fliers go.

Another thing I was wondering about, if you are speaking with someone and this person is asking questions, should we help each other out? I for one did not now the answer to all the questions asked, but it could be intimidating if we gang up on people. I usually stood a little beside someone if he was having a conversation, ready to jump in and help if neccesary.

And yes, some guys were definitely misbehaving, but I thought that's what our security anons were for?

The problem with meeting outside the station is that it's very busy there, and it'd be somewhat scary to just suddenly stand somewhere with your mask... Burger King was more secluded...

Did anyone already contact sektehulp.nl as described on the wiki? I'm prepared to do that, if noone else did.

Originally Posted by TgDz

Did anyone already contact sektehulp.nl as described on the wiki? I'm prepared to do that, if noone else did.

By all means do. If someone has already contacted them, he or she would probably have updated the wiki with the reaction he got.

Does somebody have a portable blackboard/whiteboard he/she can take to the raid? Using these we can constantly change our messages towards the people. With coloured chalk/whiteboardmarkers the artfags can probably make them attractive. Like ANONetherlands said we can also write things on the sidewalk, but people will probably not notice or read it.

Is there somebody in particular who makes contact with the press?

The dresscode is hard thing to achieve I think.... people don't always have fancy clothes and the XS4All and Xenu Ma Homeboy t-shirts are rather popular.

I'm just trying to say, TRY to come in something NOT too casual.
1) It looks better if we're dressed fancy.
2) It gives the group more coherence
And it doesn't have to be a full suit and necktie, but baggy pants and T-shirts are just... well, you know.

For example, I don't know who was the furfag (nothing personal),
but he/she had a LOT of bright colours and everything and I would just not talk to someone like that on the street.
Though, that again, is my personal opinion.

Dress however you like. A lot of tourists, especially the people who visit Amsterdam, would be very uncomfortable talking to a group of people in suits. The people we're trying to reach - those with an internet connection and a sense of humor - honestly aren't going to feel threatened by a pair of jeans or a silly mask.

We are who we are, and Chanology isn't a fancy party. If we are untrue to ourselves (and to the way we like to look/dress/behave), we're as bad as the organization we're fighting. We've got different styles for different people - and more diversity will only give us more positive exposure. A sense of lulz is still are greatest weapon.

That said: do we have any performers in Amsterdam? Jugglers, street artists, living statues, anything like that? It would get us some serious crowds. :)

A short flyer attached to a lollipop seems like a good idea. I would like to add that perhaps we should feature Exscientologykids.com more prominently on the signs and flyers this month, for Operation Reconnect.

And I say dress the way you like. We are trying to adress a mixed crowd, so being a mixed group can work in our advantage as there will always be someone people can relate to.

I think a mixed group will indeed work in our advantage. But looking clean and neat would be helpfull as well.

I agree with TJ1980; Exscientologykids.com should be prominently on the signs, and especially in view of the scientology people. The coolest thing would be if we had some people talking about how they miss friends/family in the Co$ or even to reconnect some of them.

If we're talking about seriousness vs. lulz then this is an interesting perspective:

Lulz and information in London