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Old 04-08-2008, 07:12 AM   #1 (link to here)
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Fair Gaming in Europe

I´ve been thinking about this and I really think this as to be asked

What kind of fair game has been made in Europe?
how is it different from american fair game?
Are they also using legal threats? PI´s?

If not I think the euro anons can get just a littler bolder. The CoS does not have the foothold they have in the USA.
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Old 04-08-2008, 09:17 AM   #2 (link to here)
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Re: Fair Gaming in Europe

Compared to US, the baiting and fair gaming in the UK is pretty lame. They tried to fair-game me over my medicinal cannabis stance (and failed)... tried to get me charged with harrassment (and failed)... have tried to intimidate me with late-night silent telephone calls (and failed)... and today, they used posts on an online forum against me where I admitted dabbling in cocaine (I used to be a full time pro musician... of course I tried cocaine, and thoroughly enjoyed it at the time)... lol

At first, they really got in my face and were quite aggressive when they tried to bait me (with one even hitting me over the head with his shopping bag), but that quickly diminished.

I'd say that fair-gaming in Europe is a lot less severe than in the US. I mean, if that is the best that the cult can throw at me in over 2 months of being namefagged, then it really aint much ;)
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Old 04-08-2008, 10:37 PM   #3 (link to here)
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Re: Fair Gaming in Europe

Nothing much in Denmark. What I know of was at the last protest. They called the cops because a few of us were standing on the "wrong" side of the road, handing out fliers.
The cops told us to not do that (although I can't see that holding up in court) and also to not stand in the road (a dumpster was conveniently placed).
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Old 04-08-2008, 11:01 PM   #4 (link to here)
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Re: Fair Gaming in Europe

There's been some fair gaming in Europe. Heldal-Lund was stalked and harrassed quite a bit, wasn't he? Some journalists and politicians have also been harrassed.

But on the whole, there's nothing that can compare to what has happened in the US. You just can't get away with stuff like that in most European states, and neither can you win a court case simply by throwing money and lawyers at it.

With the risk to offend our US anons, everytime I go to a protest I think "Thank god I'm in Sweden, where the scilions can't get away with shit like that".
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Old 04-09-2008, 12:30 AM   #5 (link to here)
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Re: Fair Gaming in Europe

I haven't heard of any fair-gaming of Anons. I think that's mostly because the laws here leave less room for that.

But of course a lot of journalists and ex-sci's have been fairgamed in the past.
Karin Spaink had to fight in court for 10 years, they had PI's watching her (and others) for some time. The heavily fairgamed an ex-sci (who became a freezoner) in 2004 when he had some tv-interviews. But I haven't heard of anything serious in the last 2 years.

They sometimes send letters to owners of websites to remove content, but that seems to be about it...
I guess they are running out of resources.
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Old 04-09-2008, 03:39 AM   #6 (link to here)
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I think there's a simple reason for LondonAnons getting a far better treatment: the tube.

Yankfags seem to drive to the event, it seems, which means that they can get their registration plates photographed and from there on in namefaggery is a matter of ease. Here in London we just use public transport so all of us Britfags are spared. OSA, like any black ops squad, needs information before it can pull the nasty shit.

Stuwyatt has encountered lots of resistance for making himself a nuisance but that's because he's not anon. I imagine if we weren't we'd get much the same but as it is they really have nothing on us. We just turn up on the platform, protest, leave from the platform. There's no leads for them to follow unless they send out people to follow us personally and us being eeeevil terrorist SPs they don't seem to have rolled that way.

tl;dr: Yankscifags might be worse but so far we can't compare trans-Atlantic because namefagging is harder for britscifags.


And as for the rest of Europe...Well...I haven't really heard of anything much. The Scis seem to be a lot weaker there. Especially Germany, lol.
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Old 04-09-2008, 04:12 AM   #7 (link to here)
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Re: Fair Gaming in Europe

As regards London, John Sweeney had quite a lot of shit after the Panaorama thing.
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Old 04-09-2008, 04:24 AM   #8 (link to here)
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As regards London, John Sweeney had quite a lot of shit after the Panaorama thing.
He was not anonymous. He was also a lone agent rather than a horde and also most of the really sinister crap {getting stalked etc} happened in the US.
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Old 04-09-2008, 05:26 AM   #9 (link to here)
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Re: Fair Gaming in Europe

Fair Gaming individuals is not that impressive across Europe.

In the UK, they dont have the members (roughly around 1,300) nor the financial backing from the US to launch anything too destructive, bar childish intimidation tactics.

If they are taking on someone/something big like the BBC, then yeah, the money comes in. But their FG attempt after the SAM show was so ridiculous that it earnt them more mockery than anything else......Yeah, course the BBC made a bomb threat against little ole Scientology....FFS!
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Old 04-09-2008, 07:14 AM   #10 (link to here)
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Re: Fair Gaming in Europe

Its trickier due to various legal issues in the UK and most of the EU. We could jump on them the second they try anything. WBM told me about the Woods and how we can win so so sooo easily in court. (Plus they pay for our legal fees when we win, so just go ahead and hire the best god damn lawyer you can find)

However, plenty of anons have reported people following them, taking pictures of licence plates etc, and I fear they might be trying something a little cleverer.

My concern is that they have sussed that these terrorrist accussations are comical, and are finding out the names of as many anons as possible (In the UK, and maybe Europe) with the intention of proving we are part of 'anonymous', and then taking us as an organisation to court all at once.

It's do-able, but requires hard evidence, and obviously they will need evidence of crimes - if they could convince a court we were responsible for bomb threats etc (we meaning an anonymous person) then we would have a problem.

Hopefully they will just continue to be incompetent though.
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Old 04-09-2008, 09:23 AM   #11 (link to here)
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Nothing I have heard of in Germany, but they know the secret service over here is watching them and probably just waiting for them to start harassing people.
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Old 04-09-2008, 09:30 AM   #12 (link to here)
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Nothing I have heard of in Germany, but they know the secret service over here is watching them and probably just waiting for them to start harassing people.
I heard from at least 2 guys beeing fair gamed in Germany:

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Old 04-15-2008, 04:59 AM   #13 (link to here)
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Re: Fair Gaming in Europe

Update:
At least two danes have received a translated version of the Latham & Watkins threat letter, except (IMHO) it's worse.
I received a call (hidden number) on my phone shortly after a cop went in to talk to them, protest permit (with my personal info on it) in hand... I might be paranoid ;)
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Old 04-15-2008, 05:11 AM   #14 (link to here)
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Re: Fair Gaming in Europe

Off the top of my head:

- John Sweeney during the Panorama doc.
- Paul Bracchi, a journalist who infiltrated the cult
- Bonnie Woods

While they don't do it so often here (most likely due to money/numbers) it does happen, as Stu attests.
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Old 04-15-2008, 05:19 AM   #15 (link to here)
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Re: Fair Gaming in Europe

I get dead phonecalls, weird vans parked by my house - yes I may be being paranoid.

There were more fun and frolics on saturday and today too - but as I cannot directly prove association I cannot say what.
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Old 04-15-2008, 05:29 AM   #16 (link to here)
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What kind of frolics, Dani?
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Old 04-15-2008, 05:37 AM   #17 (link to here)
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Re: Fair Gaming in Europe

you should ask mr. gandow who is also posting on this forum, i think he´s a priest who speaks out against the Co$ and they tried to push his car off the road etc. etc. i read a newspaper article in berlin, where they had to bring him into his church with police protection, if that´s not fair game ...

He´s berlins Cult expert by the way, here´s the article but guys, we really cannot translate as much as they are reporting about the Co$ at the moment ...

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Old 04-15-2008, 05:37 AM   #18 (link to here)
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I dare say that they wouldn't dare try it on in the UK. The liklihood of them getting a good and proper 'shoeing from the lads' is disturbingly high.

In my neck of the woods there are plenty of pig farmers, landfill sites, remote locations and absolute nutjobs who'll do someone over for 50p and a bag of grapes that I'd be surprised if I ever got fairgamed tbh.

If I did, they'd be dealt with. Thats all I'm gonna say.
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