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Let's do this thread in English again. Worked fine last time.

- I don't think censorship is a good theme for the protest (saw it mentioned in #dutch). Not nearly as lulz-worthy as Fair Game or Party Harder. (IMO)
EDIT: So apparently censorship never was suggested, but it seemed that way in the channel topic. disregard etc etc
- Signs need to be more understandable for the general public, not just scilons
- Make flyers that are both in english and dutch
- In front of the Co$ or Beursplein?
- I heard that there were no people directing journalists and newfags to the new location when we were forced to move on 12/4. [citation needed]

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I vote for Beursplein. If we're prepared (and have signs that provide delicious context) then our spread there is far bigger than at the NZ VBwal. Though if we can put like 6 people there, 3 on each side of the cult, with a good noticable sign ("Don't get sucked into the cult of Scientology") and flyers, that would be extra win.

I am very much in favour of this flyer: http://www.seebs.net/images/avs_trifold.pdf
Will see if I can make a bilingual flyer our of it.

I think it would be good if we could all agree on max 3 flyers to hand out. Loads of different ones are a bit confusing

Also, my +1 had a great time and will be there again next time, AND is talking about recruiting his colleagues. I am now looking around for a new +1... if we all try to do this we can at the very least maintain our numbers.

I feel we need to be a bit more consistent with our flyers, our message is coming across a tad garbled right now.
the mass of different folders we use on a protest day might dilute our message for joe public.
In our folders the anonymous imagery is to overpowering.
A lady told me she experienced "do not forgive, do not forget, expect us", wich we had in several a4 flyers, as threatening.
We allready are Anonymous imagery ourselves, we have flags and posters with Anonymous logo's, other then something small or faded out I think more Anonymous imagery is not really needed I feel.
Our flyers needs to tell our message in a clear and consise manner.
The folder with only a Fawkes mask and the text goanonymous.org did not tell anything at all and I feel it therefore was fail as far as flyers for passing out go.
I would suggest using only one flyer per target group (multi lingual offcourse), 1, maybe 2 different designs for joe public and 1 folder for the scilons.

1 or 2 passing around flyers for Joe Public
Like Anonymeep says:

Originally Posted by Anonymeep

I am very much in favour of this flyer: http://www.seebs.net/images/avs_trifold.pdf
Will see if I can make a bilingual flyer our of it.

That one would be a very good choice.

I would also suggest a two sided a4 printed in landscape so that we can fold it into a 4 page booklet.
Anonymous imagery in this one is best kept to a minimum I think, the suit graphic with barcode small at the bottom perhaps or the anonymous world logo as background.
A front page with a few gripping "headlines",the two internal page with more details and the back page with an explenation about our masks and fair game, link to whyweprotest.org to explain who we are and a list of our sources (urls).
Multilingual offcourse.

I'll make one and post it for judgement by the hive mind.

A flyer for the scientologists
Let them know that we are not their enemies, that we want to help and that escape from the cult is possible.
Possibly contact sektehulp.nl and ask if they can help if and when someone wishes to blow.
If sektehulp.nl wants to help we can tell the scilons that we can offer them real help, this would give them a chance to just run out and hide behind the legion if they want to.
We Anon's cannot do more then offer a safe house or an escort to some location, we would need sektehulp.nl or a similair organisation to get them proffessional help like deprogramming etc.

The battletoads meme should work well on the protest day itself, by now people start expecting we use humor they do not follow.
I don't think its a good idea to put it into the flyers.

My 2 marcabian cents

[edit]finally translated it to engrish, also removed the passage on recruitment folders as I realise I am preaching to the converted.
I'm slow and suck cocks, I know -.- [/edit]

also, shouldn't we get on the petition bandwagon?
Global Petition Against COS - Starts April 12

Signature petitions usually have zero to no result here in the wetlands but at least it will give our cause some attention.
Once we gathered a sufficient amount we could organise a raid on het binnenhof (and/or the second chamber/house of commons that is almost next door to it) and deliver our signature pack.

Originally Posted by anongoesballistic

- I don't think censorship is a good theme for the protest (saw it mentioned in #dutch). Not nearly as lulz-worthy as Fair Game or Party Harder. (IMO)

That was my fault .. the SENSUUR was ment to keep the date secretive untill I got talk with city authorities ..

Party Harder - Fair Play - Freak Out .. something that gets in more people than sad stuff :D

Originally Posted by anongoesballistic

- I heard that there were no people directing journalists and newfags to the new location when we were forced to move on 12/4. [citation needed]

This is correct . . police were informed by city that we were informed two weeks in advance (this is incorrect) .. that's why our request to post two anons there like we had on 15/3 was denied..

Gotdamit, and here i was thinking of getting me sum topicGET :D

Onto a moar serious buisness

- Protesting at the church will get the scilons more worryed/frustrated/ready to doubt their shit. Plus, protesting at the Beursplein will seem like we'fe given up on trying to protets at the church, and make us look weak. That being said, i really think we shoud send more flyering parties around the city, so that we can get more attention.

- Censorship as a topic makes us look like butthurt geeks with too much time on their hands. Fairgame on the other hand is serious fucking buisness. I vote we go srs bsns.

- Can someone post what was said in the scifag propaganda leaflet about us poor anons? I allready know they say were paid by the eeeeeevil sicologists, but there was also someting about us being high on ritalin? Or am i mistaken? Can we make a big fuss about it? ''Scientology accuses phsyciatrists of sabotgaing them. If we coud get some phsyc support, it woud be SO win.

I had some more thoughts i posted on the recap thread, will repost it here as well.

Ok, this is copypasta from the 12th recap page. Enjoy

Since its all over, its time to recap. Ife tried to summarize the good and bad, putting together my suggestions for maximising our winnage.

- If someone can explain in a nutshell and in engrish why we werent allowed at the org yet again? The setback of Beursplein is, that while we reach out more to the genneral public, the scilons dont feel anything. And lets not forget we wont be able to do anything, or at least were going to have to play the extra-extended mega-long game if we want to bring the Co$ down via public oppinion alone. Moreover, it was a perfect time for us to be there- you coud see people going in and out of the org all the time, plus people being oudited inside. We coud really rattle their cage if we were there.

- Flyers are FLYING away every time the main anon body did something- chanting, or dansing or just general uproar. Sereously, i coudnt keep up. For next time, lets do more of that. More people on the megaphones, more flashy displays. Dont worry about looking stupid, were in masks, aint we?

- There was a well-fed (read fat :P ) man in a bike suit, that kept poping up from time to time, and looking at us. Might be nothing, ofc but if i had to nominate ''PossiblePlant of the day'', id go with him.

- I know public opinion is against me here, but were really not dispersing enough. In one 20 min trip to the Dam, via the org i gave away more flyers than i did in an hour before that. If more people were doing it, and not just to the Dam, but to the trainstation, and nearby streets. We coud reach so much more people that way. 3-man teams shoud prevent any fair gaming, plus i think if they were going to use that, how come we havent seen anything as of yet?

-Many anons spend quite alot of time just sitting around, chatting or whatever. While everyone needs a breather from time to time, dont forget that were there to do a job, not chit-chat with other anons. However fun that might be :D

-Not as big a turnout as last 2 times, wich i find both understandable and OK. As i said before, we dont utilice our forces in the optimal way, so if we have 300 or 50 people, its pretty much the same.

Thats it for nao, if i get any more ideas, will post them. R&R, etc.

Looking forward to May. I'm going to shoop some new posters to put up asap.

And no matter what happens, we should always have some anon standing at the announced raid spot, just in case newfags/press can't find us.


Should I put both possible locations on the May posters, just in case?

Also, could someone make a page for May on Taartenlollies?

Next time when the vast majority is on the scene and we will 'start' the raid (be it on the Nwz Vbwal or on the Beursplein) have someone tell everyone the main principles we are following (peaceful, informative, active [flyering, chanting] passive [signs and m00sic])
And with that try and make clear that just standing around all the time is not helping...
Also comes in handy to tell everyone there is (and where is) cake + drinks.

Best option I say is have some more (at least 100 or so) protesters and cover both spots.
Beursplein for public contact and Nwz Vbwal voor epic wins and pressure etc.

Just thought I'd share some thoughts with you guys and girls
We should adopt a more "professional" attitude. Not be a group of "happy fellows" trying to get some attention. People won't take us seriously! In my opinion we should take a graveyard attitude, after all what we are doing is quite serious. CoS is serious, they are not joking around. Of course, trying to get scionos out is worth a try, but look at Gerry Armstrong... (and I quote)
"During 1980 Defendant Armstrong remained convinced of Hubbard's honesty and integrity and believed that the representations he had made about himself in various publications were truthful. Defendant Armstrong was devoted to Hubbard and was convinced that any information which he discovered to be unflattering of Hubbard or contradictory to what Hubbard has said about himself, was a lie being spread by Hubbard's enemies. Even when Defendant Armstrong located documents in Hubbard's Archives which indicated that representations made by Hubbard and the Organization were untrue, Defendant Armstrong would find some means to "explain away" the contradictory information."

For the CoS we are just a bunch of SP's spreading lies around. Freedom cannot be enforced from without, but must come from within. As far as he public is concerned, let'stry to get a clear message through: scientology is dangerous, it equals financial bankrupcy, it ruins families, etc.

Originally Posted by SuperPatat

Some stuff

Dude, have you been to any of our protests? Were a bunch of guys wearing masks and suits, so looking serious flies away right there. Plus, we do dance around and stuff, but thats to gather attention and keep our spirits up. Even the old guard have kept their sense of humour, we shoud really follow their example.


anonym0us: I had the same idea about the last protest, but people dont like it, supposedly for security reasons. I still think its a great idea thow.

Anonymous,

No matter where we protest, no matter how we look, no matter what signs we have, no matter what flyers we hand out, no matter how many we are, no matter what songs we sing, no matter how many journalists show up, no matter what footbullets the cult comes up with to attempt to discredit us, no matter what happens: we will be WIN. Simple because we are THERE.

The how, where, what and when are just details. They're the little things that differ between raids. Every single person we reach through our actions is a step in the right direction; it would be completely silly to think this is going to happen in the exact same way every single time.

Sometimes we'll get the full front page of De Pers, sometimes we'll have to stand at Beursplein. Sometimes we'll be doing peaceful sit-ins and hug raids, other times we may be shouting OT3 at the org. The cult will, at some point, fuck us over and destroy us beyond all recognition, and we'll simply bounce back and find another way. Because we are still attacking. And they are still defending. And as long as that's the situation, everything that happens is in our favour.

... And now that that mushy stuff's over with, let's try and find a way to really fuck with Scientology in this country. :D

Operation: Stoepkrijt

Make sure to take out all the targets, we have Anons all around the country
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Pick an off-hour, and go and do some xenu.net etc on the grounds around them
this is scientology => in front of their fronts !!

Take pics or it didn't happen !!

Go Anons Go

and someone do something on T&L on this ;)

Anon's, please select a background for the inside of an A4 flyer folded into 4pages.

Its faded out and will keep text readable, joe public can focus on the message while still making clear in a subtle way who this is from.
Guy one or guy two?
None of the above perhaps?
Don't want to use both, I think.

I vote guy #2.

#1...

I'm with #1

also: Stoepkrijt - TaartEnLollies

We need all hands onboard for this nation wide scheme !!