Toronto, Ontario

I'm gonna repost my idea:

Protest information leaflet: A small flier with basic answers to common questions is to be handed out to each anon at the beggining of the protest. If anything gets planned to happen at a specific point during the protest (group singing, etc.) it can be put on this too (I was talking to one woman about it and there was talk of it in the 3/15 thread)

It really sucked not having that half lane gap to use for taking pictures and shoot video. Is there any way we can get it back? I thought about getting those metal fences that link together, but I don't know where they come from or if we'd have to pay for them (seems like something the city might provide...?).

I won't be carrying signs about Fair Game because I think it's a terrible theme that Joe Public won't care about.

Ok, this anon needs a lift......anyone willing to go to Simcoe County the day before or the day of?
I'm willing to chip in for gas.....

Originally Posted by Mr. Black

I'm gonna repost my idea:

Protest information leaflet: A small flier with basic answers to common questions is to be handed out to each anon at the beggining of the protest. If anything gets planned to happen at a specific point during the protest (group singing, etc.) it can be put on this too (I was talking to one woman about it and there was talk of it in the 3/15 thread)

I think this is a good idea and would like to contribute to the writing/editing of it. I can make photocopies of the finished product too, though I'm not sure yet if I can make it to the demo.

I was kicking this idea around in the wrong thread..and it might not exactly go with the raid theme, but it would certainly turn some heads and be good for lulz.

I propose we attempt something like this to start the day:

YouTube - Love Is A Battlefield

The effects it would have on the raid itself are secondary to what a good youtube video it could make. We shouldn't be too upset when mainstream media fails us. Mainstream media is terrified of the Internet, and we were born of this.

Originally Posted by anonameusfawkes

It really sucked not having that half lane gap to use for taking pictures and shoot video. Is there any way we can get it back? I thought about getting those metal fences that link together, but I don't know where they come from or if we'd have to pay for them (seems like something the city might provide...?).

I won't be carrying signs about Fair Game because I think it's a terrible theme that Joe Public won't care about.

Ohhh man, we NEED the buffer back!! Look at the photos from March 15th on my Flickr and you'll notice that the majority of them were taken from on the street. Without that buffer, I had to run out into traffic to take shots, or try and wait for Anon to turn around, otherwise I'd just be shooting the back of peoples' heads. -_-

Originally Posted by alpha88

Ohhh man, we NEED the buffer back!! Look at the photos from March 15th on my Flickr and you'll notice that the majority of them were taken from on the street. Without that buffer, I had to run out into traffic to take shots, or try and wait for Anon to turn around, otherwise I'd just be shooting the back of peoples' heads. -_-

Maybe a dumb question, but have you tried across the street?

I hate pessimism, but I don't think there's much chance of the city letting us block a lane so we can take some pictures. Hope I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by awesomizer

I think we should get the permit again because:

• The police like us already -- let's keep it that way
• If moar people show up and we don't have a permit, there will be anger. Hopefully we'll have more people, and it won't rain

Another thing I think is worth looking into is whether it's a good idea to try to protest in Y/D square. I don't know whether it would be a good idea, but I think it's something we should consider.

I'm going to make a large banner that says "Scientology is a Cult" on it. It'll be about 1metre by 6.5meters I think, with poles on the end 3m high, which break into two for easy transport.

I'll re-iterate my disagreement with the whole "It's a cult" focus. I think that makes it look like we are attacking their religion, rather than their practices.

I'm thinking of maybe making a sign that says "People can follow whatever theology they want, but CoS is a criminal organization hiding behind religion" or something to that effect.

Originally Posted by awesomizer

I think that gregg is good for signing forms but care should be taken to address people's concerns over him being "head of anon" or some such.

Yea. Someone (I think it was AnonRock) was telling the media that he (Gregg) was 'in charge.' He's not 'in charge' of the protest. In his own words, Anonymous is like herding cats. We have no "leader." People with leadership qualities step up to lead the pack, but if they fall others will take their place. **This** is anonymous. Even when people step up to take charge of issues, if Anonymous doesn't agree with them then they will find themselves being ignored.

We are like the opposite of the Borg. The Borg were a collective with a single hive mind. We are a collective with our own individual, separate and often diverging interests.

Edit 1:
Forgot to add, we shouldn't just assume that Gregg is going to sign for us on every protest. I think that it's great that he's doing it and I think that he'll keep doing it, but I think that we should ask him each time or thank him or something. I don't think that we should just assume and act like we don't appreciate that he's helping out the cause. (Not that I think people feel that way, but still)

Edit 2:
We have decided as individuals to protest Scientology, and collaborated as a group. There wasn't some leader saying "hey let's do this" and everyone followed. There was probably someone that suggested the idea, but then everyone that followed that idea made up their mind that it was a good idea. Or that person would have been told to "murk loar" or "not your personal army."

Originally Posted by Mr. Black

I'm gonna repost my idea:

Protest information leaflet: A small flier with basic answers to common questions is to be handed out to each anon at the beggining of the protest. If anything gets planned to happen at a specific point during the protest (group singing, etc.) it can be put on this too (I was talking to one woman about it and there was talk of it in the 3/15 thread)

I'm also going to reiterate my idea here (since this is probably where most discussion will happen).

If we are going to be passing out these information fliers to Anons, the info on them should be relevant to the current 'topic of the month' (having examples of court cases, individuals involved, etc) so that any Anon that speaks to the media will be able to have a basic idea of what's going on rather than a general sense of "Scientology is bad...mmm'kay?"

There is too much info to just pass out fliers having 'general Scientology' information/talking points on it. We could include a couple of very basic talking points on the overall idea of why we are protesting without getting too much into specifics.

We want to be able to give the media something new to talk about each time that we protest, so that it doesn't "get old" and there is a new angle for them to report about when they mention the protests.

Maybe we should include a good short description of "what is anonymous" or maybe an advisory to not allow the media to get you into 'talking about anonymous' and talk about the topic at hand (which ever is decided to be the best).

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That said, we should have two sets of fliers for the public. One that is 'general information' on Scientology and its crimes. And the other is information about the topic of the month. That way there is a general overview (and links to get even more info) and a quick collection of some semi-in-depth information on a specific topic relating to Scientology (and its crimes).

Edit:
Having two sets of fliers also gives us and excuses to re-flier people that may have already received a flier from us. We don't want to force it down people's throats, though. We could just make sure that we introduce it differently each time. Like, "Here's some information about Scientology's Fair Game policy," instead just, "Here's some information on Scientology." This way people who have already been flier'd can realize that this is different information than what they received last time.

Just a thought.

stupid IE double posted when i opened a new window.... >:(

Originally Posted by Anonymonocle

Maybe a dumb question, but have you tried across the street?

I hate pessimism, but I don't think there's much chance of the city letting us block a lane so we can take some pictures. Hope I'm wrong.

Why'd they give us the lane in March? I wasn't there for Feb, was the lane blocked then too?

Originally Posted by AnonyMusty

That said, we should have two sets of fliers for the public. One that is 'general information' on Scientology and its crimes. And the other is information about the topic of the month. That way there is a general overview (and links to get even more info) and a quick collection of some semi-in-depth information on a specific topic relating to Scientology (and its crimes).

Edit:
Having two sets of fliers also gives us and excuses to re-flier people that may have already received a flier from us. We don't want to force it down people's throats, though. We could just make sure that we introduce it differently each time. Like, "Here's some information about Scientology's Fair Game policy," instead just, "Here's some information on Scientology." This way people who have already been flier'd can realize that this is different information than what they received last time.

People might get mad haveing too many fliers. We should make one that has ALL the information. A super flier. We should also have a megaphone too.

Originally Posted by walrusthefriend

People might get mad haveing too many fliers. We should make one that has ALL the information. A super flier. We should also have a megaphone too.

People also won't read a novel of a flier either. Megaphone might get us in trouble for too much noise? I dunno. We should look into it.

Originally Posted by anonameusfawkes

Why'd they give us the lane in March? I wasn't there for Feb, was the lane blocked then too?

I thought it was for all the extra police? Didn't Scilons call a bomb threat on themselves or something?

Originally Posted by AnonyMusty

I'll re-iterate my disagreement with the whole "It's a cult" focus. I think that makes it look like we are attacking their religion, rather than their practices.

I'm thinking of maybe making a sign that says "People can follow whatever theology they want, but CoS is a criminal organization hiding behind religion" or something to that effect.

I like "Scientology is a Cult" because it's short and sweet and true. If you'd like to suggest something about the same size ( ie under 25 chars ) I'd be open to other ideas.

Anonymonacle: That South Park idea would be amaaaaaaaazing if it could be pulled off. Just have like 50 ppl doing it down the side walk on the walk along the walk from Dundas Square, beginning about 1 minute from the CoS. Golden.

Originally Posted by AnonyMusty

I'll re-iterate my disagreement with the whole "It's a cult" focus. I think that makes it look like we are attacking their religion, rather than their practices.

I'm thinking of maybe making a sign that says "People can follow whatever theology they want, but CoS is a criminal organization hiding behind religion" or something to that effect.

Cult is to Religion as Pyramid Scheme is to Economics

Cults are more about the organization of members and their rites than simply their beliefs. Modern cults follow certain patterns, such as segregating members from their families, conditioning them to think and behave according to rigorous guidelines or face punishment from the leader, secretive and exclusionary behaviour, and are founded by a charismatic sociopath who may not be questioned.

From Cult - Wikipedia :

Development of groups characterized as cults

Cults based